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		<title>By: Paul Markson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Markson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! Totally agree with points 3,4,5 and 6. Times change, marketing techniques change and obviously strategies do to. You can not compare today&#039;s market to the one from its beginnings.We all started to get and sell tips and tricks so there always has to be something new that is not universally known. Find over 4500 investors worldwide at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vcgate.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.vcgate.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! Totally agree with points 3,4,5 and 6. Times change, marketing techniques change and obviously strategies do to. You can not compare today&#39;s market to the one from its beginnings.We all started to get and sell tips and tricks so there always has to be something new that is not universally known. Find over 4500 investors worldwide at <a href="http://www.vcgate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vcgate.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Markson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Markson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! Totally agree with points 3,4,5 and 6. Times change, marketing techniques change and obviously strategies do to. You can not compare today&#039;s market to the one from its beginnings.We all started to get and sell tips and tricks so there always has to be something new that is not universally known. Find over 4500 investors worldwide at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vcgate.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.vcgate.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! Totally agree with points 3,4,5 and 6. Times change, marketing techniques change and obviously strategies do to. You can not compare today&#39;s market to the one from its beginnings.We all started to get and sell tips and tricks so there always has to be something new that is not universally known. Find over 4500 investors worldwide at <a href="http://www.vcgate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vcgate.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Markson</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2009/07/08/is-vc-too-fat-and-happy/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Markson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! Totally agree with points 3,4,5 and 6. Times change, marketing techniques change and obviously strategies do to. You can not compare today&#039;s market to the one from its beginnings.We all started to get and sell tips and tricks so there always has to be something new that is not universally known. Find over 4500 investors worldwide at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vcgate.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.vcgate.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! Totally agree with points 3,4,5 and 6. Times change, marketing techniques change and obviously strategies do to. You can not compare today&#39;s market to the one from its beginnings.We all started to get and sell tips and tricks so there always has to be something new that is not universally known. Find over 4500 investors worldwide at <a href="http://www.vcgate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vcgate.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: 手数料を請求するVCはニセモノ, 平気で払う起業家の多いヨーロッパは無知が支配する未開の地</title>
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		<dc:creator>手数料を請求するVCはニセモノ, 平気で払う起業家の多いヨーロッパは無知が支配する未開の地</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] この薄汚い慣行が絶えない理由の一つは、小さなVCがこのところ増えているためだろう。しかしこの半年から1年ぐらいは、投資のパフォーマンスからのリターン以外の手数料などで肥え太るVCたちと、巨額な手数料を求めて投資額を際限なくつり上げるVCによって、VC業界は破綻の瀬戸際にあるという議論がわき起こっている。いくつかそういう議論の例を挙げると、これやこれ、これ、これ、そしてこれだ。便利なリストもある！。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] この薄汚い慣行が絶えない理由の一つは、小さなVCがこのところ増えているためだろう。しかしこの半年から1年ぐらいは、投資のパフォーマンスからのリターン以外の手数料などで肥え太るVCたちと、巨額な手数料を求めて投資額を際限なくつり上げるVCによって、VC業界は破綻の瀬戸際にあるという議論がわき起こっている。いくつかそういう議論の例を挙げると、これやこれ、これ、これ、そしてこれだ。便利なリストもある！。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Guest post: The madness stops here – don’t pay a VC any fees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest post: The madness stops here – don’t pay a VC any fees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] incented to simply raise larger and larger funds. Some examples of this discussion and ranting is here, here, here, here and here plus a nice aggregated listing here [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] incented to simply raise larger and larger funds. Some examples of this discussion and ranting is here, here, here, here and here plus a nice aggregated listing here [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marksuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>marksuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, the only guy I know who writes longer posts than I do!   Listen, Bob, you make some good points but I don&#039;t believe that your points really substantiate your initial hypothesis that the VC model is broken.  Let me say the following to your argumentation (where I think we agree):
- much of what makes young companies uber-successful is random (see: The Black Swan, my favorite book of the past 5 years where he makes this case even including Google.)
- for this reason Taleb states that VC is a perfect business because it has built in diversification.  If you no enough smart investing you cannot predict 100% success rates (or even 50%) but if you&#039;re diversified enough you have a higher probability of producing outliers
- much of success is waiting for the right timing both in terms of customer traction and, frankly, when you exit the business.  See: LowerMyBill.com.  Reasonble success for some time followed by meteoric growth fueled by the sub-prime market followed by a perfectly timed sale of the company.  We all know what the valuation of LNB would be now if it hadn&#039;t sold.  That is why I&#039;m a huge advocate of capital efficient businesses that don&#039;t over-raise VC
- so my hypothesis is that VC isn&#039;t broken, just some of the players in it are

Thanks for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, the only guy I know who writes longer posts than I do!   Listen, Bob, you make some good points but I don&#8217;t believe that your points really substantiate your initial hypothesis that the VC model is broken.  Let me say the following to your argumentation (where I think we agree):<br />
- much of what makes young companies uber-successful is random (see: The Black Swan, my favorite book of the past 5 years where he makes this case even including Google.)<br />
- for this reason Taleb states that VC is a perfect business because it has built in diversification.  If you no enough smart investing you cannot predict 100% success rates (or even 50%) but if you&#8217;re diversified enough you have a higher probability of producing outliers<br />
- much of success is waiting for the right timing both in terms of customer traction and, frankly, when you exit the business.  See: LowerMyBill.com.  Reasonble success for some time followed by meteoric growth fueled by the sub-prime market followed by a perfectly timed sale of the company.  We all know what the valuation of LNB would be now if it hadn&#8217;t sold.  That is why I&#8217;m a huge advocate of capital efficient businesses that don&#8217;t over-raise VC<br />
- so my hypothesis is that VC isn&#8217;t broken, just some of the players in it are</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Caspe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Caspe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of the opinion that the VC model is broken and always has been.  It&#039;s not surprising given that it&#039;s a fairly young industry.  My belief is based upon two principals:

First, the typical method used to &quot;negotiate a deal&quot; often provides unrealistic targets to the entrepreneur and stimuates a spending habit that is inconsistent with finding success except for rare cases.

We observe that most small business startups fail.  I suggest that the VC model actually provokes that outcome.

My second observation relates to a book that I recently read combined with my own experience as an entrepreneur and now, teacher at a business school.

“The Drunkard’s Walk” by Leonard Mlodinow has had a significant influence on my understanding of small business and entrepreneurship. That phrase has now become the catchphrase of my current MBA Marketing class as everyone is beginning to internalize what its real meaning is.

Here’s a synopsis of what I’m teaching:

At business school the professors all teach that process is everything. One needs to perfect an idea, then from the idea, perfect the plan and finally, go out and do it. I’ve discovered that entrepreneurship is just the opposite. In my class, which is frequently one of the last taken by students on their way to an MBA, I suggest that they forget the concepts that they’ve studied for the past year or two and instead approach small business in a completely different way.

Large businesses like General Electric have potentially hundreds of thousands of employees and millions of customers. Every day their destiny is mostly shaped by the shear momentum of the organization. Of course, a major economic shift, as we’re experiencing now, can influence them, but, for the most part, the winds that blow have little overall influence on their day to day success.

Small companies are quite the opposite. Their momentum is infinitely small in comparison. As a result, the random influences around them that occur each day cause wild fluctuations in their performance. For example, the CEO meets a business opportunity by sitting in a fortuitous seat on an airplane, or a snow storm causes the entire engineering staff of one to miss the deadline for a customer.

Several books have been written about our tendency to see patterns where none exist. In “Outliers” Malcolm Gladwell points out how one’s month of birth in Canada can strongly influence their likelihood of being a successful hockey player though a series of connections that are completely rational but difficult to have foreseen. We often improperly credit an individual with an accomplishment that was driven by external forces. Or, many of my students suggest the use of “mouth to mouth” marketing as their preferred choice and show examples of successful use in the past, but importantly, they can’t demonstrate the critical differences between those that succeeded and those that failed.

All of the successful entrepreneurs that I know (at least those with some modesty) are able to retell the apparently random sequence of events that conspired together to cause their success. They also all shared many important qualities of rationality, perseverance, likability, etc. - too many to list here, that also contributed to their success, but without exception, each also could credit “the Gods” for happenstances that were critical.

The key question is: if random occurrences have a significant influence on our likelihood to succeed in small business, is there anything that we can do about it other than to simply hope for luck?

And, the key answer is yes. I’m reminded of the joke, but truth of the following observation. If you want to live to ninety years of age, there’s one thing that you can do that, from an actuarial perspective will vastly increase the odds of living that long. It is, simply, to live to eighty nine! Look at the actuarial tables on line. As we age, our life expectancy extends.

Thus, the critical ingredient to increasing the likelihood of finding success in small business is simply the act of survival. If one cannot determine with any accuracy when the magic moment will occur or which events will conspire to bring us to success, then the only thing that you can be sure of, is that if you go out business before it occurs, you’re dead.

Survival isn’t simply waking up in the morning with the determination to not die. It requires a plan of action that maximizes your likelihood of not being killed. In small business, survival is equivalent to having a break even or positive cash flow. And, cash flow is contingent upon creating transactions that have value and closing deals with customers that yield profit.

Note that it is not demonstrating a specific minimum rate of growth year over year. It is simply surviving. Any real entrepreneur will tell you that it is a combination of the thousands of meetings with customers, vendors, peers, employees and the like that eventually lead to the eureka moments that seed business ideas with the critical sparks that lead to eventual success.

The next important question that I ask is whether our methods for funding small companies lead to a higher or lower likelihood of success. I think that the answer is at this point self evident. If a venture or angel investor presses a company to show year over year growth in the interest of increasing the stock price for attracting future investors, then the pressure that they are applying is the most destructive force that can be applied. It’s that simple.

Venture capital hasn’t been around for that long a time. It’s quite possible that the methods and concepts that have been used are not optimized and I am suggesting that it is time to consider changing them radically. The skill and resources that investors bring to small companies is invaluable. But, as board members and advisors, the investors must change their focus once the investment is made to one of achieving cash flow neutrality as quickly as possible and then to survive and evaluate new opportunities as they become apparent to the fledgling company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of the opinion that the VC model is broken and always has been.  It&#8217;s not surprising given that it&#8217;s a fairly young industry.  My belief is based upon two principals:</p>
<p>First, the typical method used to &#8220;negotiate a deal&#8221; often provides unrealistic targets to the entrepreneur and stimuates a spending habit that is inconsistent with finding success except for rare cases.</p>
<p>We observe that most small business startups fail.  I suggest that the VC model actually provokes that outcome.</p>
<p>My second observation relates to a book that I recently read combined with my own experience as an entrepreneur and now, teacher at a business school.</p>
<p>“The Drunkard’s Walk” by Leonard Mlodinow has had a significant influence on my understanding of small business and entrepreneurship. That phrase has now become the catchphrase of my current MBA Marketing class as everyone is beginning to internalize what its real meaning is.</p>
<p>Here’s a synopsis of what I’m teaching:</p>
<p>At business school the professors all teach that process is everything. One needs to perfect an idea, then from the idea, perfect the plan and finally, go out and do it. I’ve discovered that entrepreneurship is just the opposite. In my class, which is frequently one of the last taken by students on their way to an MBA, I suggest that they forget the concepts that they’ve studied for the past year or two and instead approach small business in a completely different way.</p>
<p>Large businesses like General Electric have potentially hundreds of thousands of employees and millions of customers. Every day their destiny is mostly shaped by the shear momentum of the organization. Of course, a major economic shift, as we’re experiencing now, can influence them, but, for the most part, the winds that blow have little overall influence on their day to day success.</p>
<p>Small companies are quite the opposite. Their momentum is infinitely small in comparison. As a result, the random influences around them that occur each day cause wild fluctuations in their performance. For example, the CEO meets a business opportunity by sitting in a fortuitous seat on an airplane, or a snow storm causes the entire engineering staff of one to miss the deadline for a customer.</p>
<p>Several books have been written about our tendency to see patterns where none exist. In “Outliers” Malcolm Gladwell points out how one’s month of birth in Canada can strongly influence their likelihood of being a successful hockey player though a series of connections that are completely rational but difficult to have foreseen. We often improperly credit an individual with an accomplishment that was driven by external forces. Or, many of my students suggest the use of “mouth to mouth” marketing as their preferred choice and show examples of successful use in the past, but importantly, they can’t demonstrate the critical differences between those that succeeded and those that failed.</p>
<p>All of the successful entrepreneurs that I know (at least those with some modesty) are able to retell the apparently random sequence of events that conspired together to cause their success. They also all shared many important qualities of rationality, perseverance, likability, etc. &#8211; too many to list here, that also contributed to their success, but without exception, each also could credit “the Gods” for happenstances that were critical.</p>
<p>The key question is: if random occurrences have a significant influence on our likelihood to succeed in small business, is there anything that we can do about it other than to simply hope for luck?</p>
<p>And, the key answer is yes. I’m reminded of the joke, but truth of the following observation. If you want to live to ninety years of age, there’s one thing that you can do that, from an actuarial perspective will vastly increase the odds of living that long. It is, simply, to live to eighty nine! Look at the actuarial tables on line. As we age, our life expectancy extends.</p>
<p>Thus, the critical ingredient to increasing the likelihood of finding success in small business is simply the act of survival. If one cannot determine with any accuracy when the magic moment will occur or which events will conspire to bring us to success, then the only thing that you can be sure of, is that if you go out business before it occurs, you’re dead.</p>
<p>Survival isn’t simply waking up in the morning with the determination to not die. It requires a plan of action that maximizes your likelihood of not being killed. In small business, survival is equivalent to having a break even or positive cash flow. And, cash flow is contingent upon creating transactions that have value and closing deals with customers that yield profit.</p>
<p>Note that it is not demonstrating a specific minimum rate of growth year over year. It is simply surviving. Any real entrepreneur will tell you that it is a combination of the thousands of meetings with customers, vendors, peers, employees and the like that eventually lead to the eureka moments that seed business ideas with the critical sparks that lead to eventual success.</p>
<p>The next important question that I ask is whether our methods for funding small companies lead to a higher or lower likelihood of success. I think that the answer is at this point self evident. If a venture or angel investor presses a company to show year over year growth in the interest of increasing the stock price for attracting future investors, then the pressure that they are applying is the most destructive force that can be applied. It’s that simple.</p>
<p>Venture capital hasn’t been around for that long a time. It’s quite possible that the methods and concepts that have been used are not optimized and I am suggesting that it is time to consider changing them radically. The skill and resources that investors bring to small companies is invaluable. But, as board members and advisors, the investors must change their focus once the investment is made to one of achieving cash flow neutrality as quickly as possible and then to survive and evaluate new opportunities as they become apparent to the fledgling company.</p>
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		<title>By: Frustrated VC investor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frustrated VC investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing is for certain: the 2% management fee on a big fund most emphatically does NOT align the interests of the GPs and LPs.  That is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that most GPs simply will not acknowledge.

I have invested in several VC funds, and I am really tired of the excuses for poor performance from the GPs and their BS rationales given for the 2% management fee.  In the end, under the present fee structure, no matter what the performance of the fund, they get rich, while the LPs bear ALL the costs of the fund and take ALL the risks.  I am no longer investing in VC until the fee structure changes.

VC is a great industry for the GPs, but is a sucker&#039;s game for the LPs.  Look at the 10 year returns for LPs from the average VC fund–they are TERRIBLE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing is for certain: the 2% management fee on a big fund most emphatically does NOT align the interests of the GPs and LPs.  That is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that most GPs simply will not acknowledge.</p>
<p>I have invested in several VC funds, and I am really tired of the excuses for poor performance from the GPs and their BS rationales given for the 2% management fee.  In the end, under the present fee structure, no matter what the performance of the fund, they get rich, while the LPs bear ALL the costs of the fund and take ALL the risks.  I am no longer investing in VC until the fee structure changes.</p>
<p>VC is a great industry for the GPs, but is a sucker&#8217;s game for the LPs.  Look at the 10 year returns for LPs from the average VC fund–they are TERRIBLE.</p>
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		<title>By: marksuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>marksuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Fred.  I&#039;ll ping you before my next trip to NY or LMK if you&#039;re out in LA.  I&#039;m also often in NorCal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Fred.  I&#8217;ll ping you before my next trip to NY or LMK if you&#8217;re out in LA.  I&#8217;m also often in NorCal.</p>
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		<title>By: Is VC too Fat and Happy? &#124; CloudAve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is VC too Fat and Happy? &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] since I’m told Tim isn’t a bad guy. &#160;(UPDATE: Great response from Bill Bryant of DFJ is here. &#160;As I said, I had hoped it was out of [...]</description>
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