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		<title>By: Owning the conversation &#8211; Who is Farhan Lalji?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owning the conversation &#8211; Who is Farhan Lalji?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was definitely ROI positive already, and I don’t mean just financial returns. Mark Suster has a great post on MBAs for start ups / VCs which is a pretty good read and goes through what you get out of an MBA later on in the post – [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was definitely ROI positive already, and I don’t mean just financial returns. Mark Suster has a great post on MBAs for start ups / VCs which is a pretty good read and goes through what you get out of an MBA later on in the post – [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Owning the discussion &#8211; Who is Farhan Lalji?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owning the discussion &#8211; Who is Farhan Lalji?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] what you get out of an MBA later on in the post – read through long enough and you’ll find a comment from yours truly – Mark uses Disqus, go [...]</description>
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		<title>By: msuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>msuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Awesome list.  Love it.  Only wish it were commented earlier so everyone who read the post would see it.  I hope future readers of this post scroll this far down - you&#039;re comments are spot on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Awesome list.  Love it.  Only wish it were commented earlier so everyone who read the post would see it.  I hope future readers of this post scroll this far down &#8211; you&#39;re comments are spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is EXACTLY the wrong way to look at things; i would much rather start a company for those 2 years, versus getting an mba, because working at a startup is fun to me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;entrepreneurship is my life, and i love it more than anything; it&#039;s all i live/breathe/sleep, and i wouldn&#039;t have it any other way. the majority of truly successful entrepreneurs i have met would concur (i haven&#039;t quite gotten there yet).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;would never even think about getting my mba; i did go to undergrad @ princeton however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is EXACTLY the wrong way to look at things; i would much rather start a company for those 2 years, versus getting an mba, because working at a startup is fun to me.</p>
<p>entrepreneurship is my life, and i love it more than anything; it&#39;s all i live/breathe/sleep, and i wouldn&#39;t have it any other way. the majority of truly successful entrepreneurs i have met would concur (i haven&#39;t quite gotten there yet).</p>
<p>would never even think about getting my mba; i did go to undergrad @ princeton however.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark -- this was a great post, and you outlined many of the key issues and considerations around career paths related to VC, startups, and MBAs.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I recently left a job as a VC associate (spent a year there after MBA program) to join a venture-backed early stage startup as one of the 1st non-founding employees.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s where I think the MBA helped, and where it didn&#039;t, related to both jobs:  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;VC - where MBA helped&lt;br&gt;----------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) Basic financial modeling and cap tables&lt;br&gt;2) Gave me the time and flexibility to do projects and internships for a variety of startups (especially in sectors where I didn&#039;t have strong background) and VC firms&lt;br&gt;3) Helped me get the job in the 1st place (alumni were very helpful in making introductions to firms, etc)&lt;br&gt;4) Access to some dealflow through alumni network&lt;br&gt;5)  Had plenty of time to network and interview- if you&#039;re working full time, it is very hard to put in the (networking) time needed to land a VC job. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;VC - where MBA didn&#039;t help&lt;br&gt;----------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) Hustle - early stage VC work, particularly for junior staff, is about generating quality deal flow.  You have to work hard, hustle, and be creative about how you find interesting companies.  Frankly, it&#039;s a sales-like role.  I would say this is even more true in later stage VC and buyout shops like Summit, TA, etc.&lt;br&gt;2)  Pattern recognition - if you are looking at alot of deals, you need to develop the ability to quickly evaluate business plans and deals.  This can only be gained by experience  - internships are great and will give you some initial exposure but in reality you need to be in a full time VC role to hone this skill&lt;br&gt;3)  Recruiting - most MBA programs don&#039;t have a structured recruiting process related to VC, and most VC firms don&#039;t have structured recruiting processes, either.  Therefore, its totally up to you to get yourself networked into various firms.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Startup - where MBA helped&lt;br&gt;-----------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(I&#039;m only a few months in, but here&#039;s what sticks out so far...)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) Financial modeling - useful when developing projections, operating plans, etc&lt;br&gt;2) Network - ability to reach out to alumni to get perspectives on current business challenges or for fundraising&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Startup - where MBA doesn&#039;t help&lt;br&gt;----------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1)  Hustle - Early stage startups are all about selling - selling your vision, selling to visionary early adopter customers, recruiting new employees, developing partnerships.  This can be learned, but not in an MBA program.&lt;br&gt;2)  Industry expertise - Several people have mentioned this before, but I&#039;ll chime in as well.  Startups need people who can hit the ground running, and if you don&#039;t have industry experience, you&#039;re not going to be able to do that.  &lt;br&gt;3) Debt - maybe you shoot for the higher paying job thats not as rewarding or aligned with your long term career goals because you have borrowed alot of money for your education</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8212; this was a great post, and you outlined many of the key issues and considerations around career paths related to VC, startups, and MBAs.  </p>
<p>I recently left a job as a VC associate (spent a year there after MBA program) to join a venture-backed early stage startup as one of the 1st non-founding employees.   </p>
<p>Here&#39;s where I think the MBA helped, and where it didn&#39;t, related to both jobs:  </p>
<p>VC &#8211; where MBA helped<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>1) Basic financial modeling and cap tables<br />2) Gave me the time and flexibility to do projects and internships for a variety of startups (especially in sectors where I didn&#39;t have strong background) and VC firms<br />3) Helped me get the job in the 1st place (alumni were very helpful in making introductions to firms, etc)<br />4) Access to some dealflow through alumni network<br />5)  Had plenty of time to network and interview- if you&#39;re working full time, it is very hard to put in the (networking) time needed to land a VC job. </p>
<p>VC &#8211; where MBA didn&#39;t help<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>1) Hustle &#8211; early stage VC work, particularly for junior staff, is about generating quality deal flow.  You have to work hard, hustle, and be creative about how you find interesting companies.  Frankly, it&#39;s a sales-like role.  I would say this is even more true in later stage VC and buyout shops like Summit, TA, etc.<br />2)  Pattern recognition &#8211; if you are looking at alot of deals, you need to develop the ability to quickly evaluate business plans and deals.  This can only be gained by experience  &#8211; internships are great and will give you some initial exposure but in reality you need to be in a full time VC role to hone this skill<br />3)  Recruiting &#8211; most MBA programs don&#39;t have a structured recruiting process related to VC, and most VC firms don&#39;t have structured recruiting processes, either.  Therefore, its totally up to you to get yourself networked into various firms.  </p>
<p>Startup &#8211; where MBA helped<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>(I&#39;m only a few months in, but here&#39;s what sticks out so far&#8230;)</p>
<p>1) Financial modeling &#8211; useful when developing projections, operating plans, etc<br />2) Network &#8211; ability to reach out to alumni to get perspectives on current business challenges or for fundraising</p>
<p>Startup &#8211; where MBA doesn&#39;t help<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>1)  Hustle &#8211; Early stage startups are all about selling &#8211; selling your vision, selling to visionary early adopter customers, recruiting new employees, developing partnerships.  This can be learned, but not in an MBA program.<br />2)  Industry expertise &#8211; Several people have mentioned this before, but I&#39;ll chime in as well.  Startups need people who can hit the ground running, and if you don&#39;t have industry experience, you&#39;re not going to be able to do that.  <br />3) Debt &#8211; maybe you shoot for the higher paying job thats not as rewarding or aligned with your long term career goals because you have borrowed alot of money for your education</p>
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		<title>By: Are MBAs required for startups? &#171; Sushant Anand&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2009/09/08/are-mbas-necessary-for-start-ups-or-vc/comment-page-2/#comment-1124</link>
		<dc:creator>Are MBAs required for startups? &#171; Sushant Anand&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out Mark Suster&#8217;s thoughts here. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Stewie really, really wants to win an EmmyGood [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Great VC Ice Age is Thawing (for now) &#8211; Part 1 of 3 &#171; The SiliconANGLE</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2009/09/08/are-mbas-necessary-for-start-ups-or-vc/comment-page-2/#comment-1050</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great VC Ice Age is Thawing (for now) &#8211; Part 1 of 3 &#171; The SiliconANGLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and sell when the fall precipitously.&#160; VC’s are not immune to this phenomenon.&#160; Despite my cynicism of MBA’s, this class was very valuable to me. It helped me avoid chasing deals (and a house) in 2007/08 and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and sell when the fall precipitously.&#160; VC’s are not immune to this phenomenon.&#160; Despite my cynicism of MBA’s, this class was very valuable to me. It helped me avoid chasing deals (and a house) in 2007/08 and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Great VC Ice Age is Thawing (for now) &#8211; Part 1 of 3</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2009/09/08/are-mbas-necessary-for-start-ups-or-vc/comment-page-2/#comment-1043</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great VC Ice Age is Thawing (for now) &#8211; Part 1 of 3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] overvalued) and sell when the fall precipitously.  VC’s are not immune to this phenomenon.  Despite my cynicism of MBA’s, this class was very valuable to me. It helped me avoid chasing deals (and a house) in 2007/08 and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] overvalued) and sell when the fall precipitously.  VC’s are not immune to this phenomenon.  Despite my cynicism of MBA’s, this class was very valuable to me. It helped me avoid chasing deals (and a house) in 2007/08 and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: msuster</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2009/09/08/are-mbas-necessary-for-start-ups-or-vc/comment-page-2/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>msuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you.  I agree.  I tell people of all the C&#039;s I value it&#039;s &quot;colleagues.&quot;  but ... you went to Stanford.  I also tell people if you can go to Stanford it&#039;s worth it.  Less so for the 75th best MBA.  Or probably even the 28th.  Thanks for your input - much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you.  I agree.  I tell people of all the C&#39;s I value it&#39;s &#8220;colleagues.&#8221;  but &#8230; you went to Stanford.  I also tell people if you can go to Stanford it&#39;s worth it.  Less so for the 75th best MBA.  Or probably even the 28th.  Thanks for your input &#8211; much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s difficult to underestimate the value of the Colleagues. 15 years out of Stanford now and those relationships have paid huge dividends, and alone were worth the costs I incurred. I talk to a lot of MBA applicants and rising 1st years and tell all of them to make sure to spend time building relationships with their classmates. They will open doors for you, provide answers to your most challenging questions, become clients &amp; advisors throughout their careers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s difficult to underestimate the value of the Colleagues. 15 years out of Stanford now and those relationships have paid huge dividends, and alone were worth the costs I incurred. I talk to a lot of MBA applicants and rising 1st years and tell all of them to make sure to spend time building relationships with their classmates. They will open doors for you, provide answers to your most challenging questions, become clients &#038; advisors throughout their careers.</p>
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