Why I Don’t Like Board Observers

Board Observers can be destructive for startupsThis is part of my ongoing series Startup Advice.  I wrote recently about the role of Advisory Boards in startups, which I expected to be a bit controversial.  People love their advisers and I don’t blame them.  It’s just that many companies waste equity on advisory boards, pick the wrong advisers or set up advisory boards with the wrong expectations.

Since I already attacked one sacred cow, let me come right back with my second: Board Observers.  Before I get all the comments about how valuable your Board Observer was I’ll state this – sometimes they’re helpful or benign.  But they can be a problem.  If they’re so great, why are they not just Board Members?  And what I mostly want to do is make entrepreneurs aware that they have nearly as much power as a real board member so you may have more people making decisions at board meeting than you thought you would.  If you agree to have a board observer at least know what you’re signing up for.

What exactly is a board observer? Just to baseline for newer entrepreneurs – there are three types of people you may see involved with a startup that have the title “board” attached to them.  The first is a “board member.”  This is a person who had legal, corporate governance rights to vote on initiatives that require board approval.  This is the real board position that entrepreneurs should concern themselves with.

The second is an “advisory board,” which is basically a fancy way of saying somebody who the CEO believes can help the company through his/her knowledge or connections.  I don’t know why this person has “board” in their title because they very rarely have anything at all to do with the board.  I covered Advisory Boards in the post which is linked to in the opening paragraph.

The third is a “board observer” who  has the right to attend board meetings but does not actually have a legal vote on any board matters.

Why does somebody become a board observer? There are a few reasons you find board observers.  The first scenario is where an investor puts in money but not enough for them to justify taking a board seat.  They may request a board observer seat “just in case” they want to attend board meetings

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and know what’s going on.  Sometimes people use this right, other times they have board observer rights but never attend board meetings.  Most entrepreneurs feel sheepish about telling somebody that just gave them $500,000 that they can’t “observe” the board.  Don’t get sucked in to this logic.  That’s what “information rights” are for and you can promise the investor to meet 1-on-1 on a quarterly basis.

The second scenario is where there are too many investors (egos?) in a company.  The larger or leading investors will sometimes offer the other investors an observer right as a way to appease them and solve the political problem of deciding who should be on the board.  As an entrepreneur you don’t want 5 investors on your board because then board decisions will be more representative of investor concerns than management concerns.  As I’ll explain below, for the most part observers = board members.

The third scenario I’ve seen is with “strategic” investors.  Strategic is often a euphemism for investors that are from the industry you serve rather than from a purely financial investor.  I’ll cover strategic investors in another post but there are many reasons to be cautious about the oxymoronic strategic investor.  Done in the right way they’re invaluable.  Done in the wrong way and it will torpedo your company. I’ll cover strategic investors in a different post.

The final reason you might find board observers is where you have an investor on your board in an early round of investment and the later stage investors want to take the board seats.  Sometimes a compromise is made where the old investor is given, you guessed it, observer rights.

What on Earth could be wrong with giving board observer rights, they sound so harmless? To understand why I’m so opposed to board observers you need to understand the dynamics of startup boards.  Most startup board meetings consist of running through the companies past 30-60 day’s progress (financial & operational) and then talking about the strategic issues that company faces.  These can be competitive threats, customer adoption problems, pricing strategies, senior hires, whatever.

But realize that almost nothing of substance EVER comes up for a vote.  Instead startup boards, rightly or wrongly, seek consensus.  They tend to drive toward unanimity or at least toward the opinion of the loudest, most vocal, most articulate or most persuasive board member.  Sometimes smaller board members or independent board members defer to the largest shareholder.  I even had a lawyer recently tell me, “I want to try and see every vote on this board be unanimous because dissent on boards can be used in the future in lawsuits or can be used by an acquirer to raised concerns in an M&A process.”  Just so you know.

thumbs upSo here is the rub.  Let’s say you have 2 investors, 2 management and 1 independent on your board and you agreed to have one board observer – an investor who put in $500k into a $3 million round.  Because nothing ever comes up for a vote the board observer has nearly as much influence as actual voting members of the board.  If they’re louder or more persuasive then they can have even more influence.  I’ve seen it.  Heck, I’ve DONE it.

So is it really true that nothing comes up for a vote in a startup? Mostly yes.  It’s true that you do actually take votes on things like whether to raise more money, whether to sell the business, whether to raise debt, etc.  And it’s true that very occasionally there will be a split vote because a smaller investor might disagree with a larger investor on the need to raise a $10 million round of capital.  But these types of decisions tend to be few and far between and even then the observer has undue influence in the discussion.  But your board will spend way more times talking about garden-variety strategic issues, followed by compromises and consensus building amongst board members and observers alike.

There is one scenario where I feel board observers are OK.  VC partners will often ask to have an associate attend board meetings along with them.  I don’t see any problem with this for entrepreneurs.  I’ve never seen a junior VC person speak out and try to drive the conversation with the partner also in attendance.  They’re there to become more knowledgeable about your business since they may end up doing analysis down the road and also to get a bit of experience.

What to do if you need to have a board observer? It’s clear there are times where yielding to a board observer ends up to be the most expedient solution and the person observing is a person management or investors already know. I have myself accepted observers in this scenario.

In these cases I recommend that you make the position time bound, as in the person can be a board observer for 12 months or 18 months at which point the observer rights automatically cease.  That saves you from the awkward conversation down the line when you want a smaller board.  And if the person is truly adding value then you can always extend it later.

I know other people seem to have less angst on this topic than I do.  Mine comes from the experience of watching discussions get totally skewed or torpedoed by observers.  Obviously this also happens from board members but at least they should be entitled to skew the debate.

I’d love to know in the comments what other people think about this topic.  Anyone else have good/bad experiences?  Is it just me?

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  • http://www.activeport.com juliefogg

    Dear @msuster -

    The board room is like a kitchen. Each extra person…. I think my position is pretty clear. If not, send me a message to @juliefogg & I'll come back to provide more detail on my opinion. :)

  • http://reidcurley.com Reid Curley

    Mark, I agree completely with your view that observers might as well be full directors the vast majority of the time.

    Whether this is a good or bad thing though depends entirely on the individuals in question. If an entrepreneur feels that the composition of the board is less than ideal, a strong observer can provide some balance. In this case, having the observer is a good thing, at least for the entrepreneur.

  • Rob K

    Often times with VCs, the junior guy will be an observer while the partner will be the board member. in this case, you can get lots of the junior guys time and assistance in market research and strategy (assuming he can add value), much more than the partner.

  • http://www.klifercapital.com/ Sachin Jade

    I agree. And one of the biggest problems is the overuse of the word “Board”. The only board that we tell our start-ups to have is the actual Board of Directors.

    Advisors – we ask them to have if they can help and almost always work with them on an individual basis for advise on specific things.

    The Board observer is a misnomer again – If at all it should exisit within a startup, it should be basically a junior member from a VC/Investor group that can assist on the ground etc. If not, its pretty meaningless

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  • paulkosacz

    Mark:

    In addition to the issues you voiced, another concern I have about these satellite “boards” is that they can deflect the focus of real board members' away from their very real responsibility (and perhaps, ultimately, liability) they have to the company on whose board they serve. My experience is that too many “real” directors fail to appreciate their legal responsibilities as directors, especially the duty to keep informed and exercise independent judgment so as to fulfill their duty of care. Letting non-directors bully real directors into this or that decision could ultimately prove to be a source of something beyond mere embarrassment if things don't go as planned in a new enterprise.

    I know that concern over potential liability caused has caused some VCs to decline actual BOD membership, but I think more out of fear that some of their actions as directors (such as the exercise of certain rights) might expose them to charges of conflict of interest. The solution they came up with to this problem was to assume advisory positions or obtain observers' rights. The continued popularity of advisory or observer positions is probably, at least to some degree, a reflection of these same potential liability issues.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I agree. As they say in the kitchen, “too many chefs spoil the broth.”

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    If he's so good and such a balancing act then why isn't he/she on the board? If I'm an investor and I put $3 million in why do I want an observer that takes positions contrary to my beliefs? IMHO – either you're in or your out.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I agree and I mentioned that in the post. The one exception to the observer rule for me is associates / analysts from the VC.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Totally agree. The junior VC staff member is the one carve out that I mentioned in my post. I agree that this can be helpful.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Interesting – I hadn't thought of that. It must be the case that some firms, especially those that invest in many companies, reduce their legal exposure by not being a legal director of the company. Interesting. And as a CEO I would want all of them to have full legal duties involved with sitting on my board. Thanks for the input.

  • http://www.activeport.com juliefogg

    Dear @msuster -

    The board room is like a kitchen. Each extra person…. I think my position is pretty clear. If not, send me a message to @juliefogg & I'll come back to provide more detail on my opinion. :)

  • http://reidcurley.com Reid Curley

    Mark, I agree completely with your view that observers might as well be full directors the vast majority of the time.

    Whether this is a good or bad thing though depends entirely on the individuals in question. If an entrepreneur feels that the composition of the board is less than ideal, a strong observer can provide some balance. In this case, having the observer is a good thing, at least for the entrepreneur.

  • Rob K

    Often times with VCs, the junior guy will be an observer while the partner will be the board member. in this case, you can get lots of the junior guys time and assistance in market research and strategy (assuming he can add value), much more than the partner.

  • http://www.activeport.com juliefogg

    Do you mind if I paste a link for this post to my Make Mine a $Million Yahoo group? I don't own the group – it's just like 400 women business owners. Let me know, thanks!

  • http://www.klifercapital.com/ Sachin Jade

    I agree. And one of the biggest problems is the overuse of the word “Board”. The only board that we tell our start-ups to have is the actual Board of Directors.

    Advisors – we ask them to have if they can help and almost always work with them on an individual basis for advise on specific things.

    The Board observer is a misnomer again – If at all it should exisit within a startup, it should be basically a junior member from a VC/Investor group that can assist on the ground etc. If not, its pretty meaningless

  • paulkosacz

    Mark:

    In addition to the issues you voiced, another concern I have about these satellite “boards” is that they can deflect the focus of real board members' away from their very real responsibility (and perhaps, ultimately, liability) they have to the company on whose board they serve. My experience is that too many “real” directors fail to appreciate their legal responsibilities as directors, especially the duty to keep informed and exercise independent judgment so as to fulfill their duty of care. Letting non-directors bully real directors into this or that decision could ultimately prove to be a source of something beyond mere embarrassment if things don't go as planned in a new enterprise.

    I know that concern over potential liability caused has caused some VCs to decline actual BOD membership, but I think more out of fear that some of their actions as directors (such as the exercise of certain rights) might expose them to charges of conflict of interest. The solution they came up with to this problem was to assume advisory positions or obtain observers' rights. The continued popularity of advisory or observer positions is probably, at least to some degree, a reflection of these same potential liability issues.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I agree. As they say in the kitchen, “too many chefs spoil the broth.”

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    If he's so good and such a balancing act then why isn't he/she on the board? If I'm an investor and I put $3 million in why do I want an observer that takes positions contrary to my beliefs? IMHO – either you're in or your out.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I agree and I mentioned that in the post. The one exception to the observer rule for me is associates / analysts from the VC.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Totally agree. The junior VC staff member is the one carve out that I mentioned in my post. I agree that this can be helpful.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Interesting – I hadn't thought of that. It must be the case that some firms, especially those that invest in many companies, reduce their legal exposure by not being a legal director of the company. Interesting. And as a CEO I would want all of them to have full legal duties involved with sitting on my board. Thanks for the input.

  • chrisyeh

    I can totally relate to your observation that a board observer can end up having more influence than any of the board members. I can recall one instance where a heavyweight partner from a Tier 1 firm ended up as a board observer because the firm came in at the last minute, after a lead commitment had already been made.

    It was quite clear that despite his lack of a vote, that his opinion was clearly the most important in the boardroom.

    I will leave it as a fun parlor game to let folks guess which company and which board member I'm referring to.

  • http://reidcurley.com Reid Curley

    Well, he or she isn't a full board member because someone else put in more money and took the last spot. Custom and ego dictate that those with the gold rule, but there is not a perfect correlation between bucks and brains. It is true that the large investor in this situation probably does not want his or her influence diluted, but from the perspective of management (and — potentially — other members of the board), that dilution of influence may still be a good thing. I am not suggesting that every company should try to have observers, but to say that there are never situations where they are appropriate and perhaps even beneficial seems a bit much.

  • http://www.activeport.com juliefogg

    Do you mind if I paste a link for this post to my Make Mine a $Million Yahoo group? I don't own the group – it's just like 400 women business owners. Let me know, thanks!

  • http://chrisyeh.blogspot.com Chris Yeh

    I can totally relate to your observation that a board observer can end up having more influence than any of the board members. I can recall one instance where a heavyweight partner from a Tier 1 firm ended up as a board observer because the firm came in at the last minute, after a lead commitment had already been made.

    It was quite clear that despite his lack of a vote, that his opinion was clearly the most important in the boardroom.

    I will leave it as a fun parlor game to let folks guess which company and which board member I'm referring to.

  • http://reidcurley.com Reid Curley

    Well, he or she isn't a full board member because someone else put in more money and took the last spot. Custom and ego dictate that those with the gold rule, but there is not a perfect correlation between bucks and brains. It is true that the large investor in this situation probably does not want his or her influence diluted, but from the perspective of management (and — potentially — other members of the board), that dilution of influence may still be a good thing. I am not suggesting that every company should try to have observers, but to say that there are never situations where they are appropriate and perhaps even beneficial seems a bit much.

  • Jeffrey Chernick

    Per your scenario 1, “Information Rights” (please elaborate) and 1-on-1 meetings sound easier said than done, no? Here is an example: you are raising a seed round and your lead investor is putting up the first $150K out of a $500K – $750mm round. Knowing they will lose that board seat upon a second larger round, the lead wants Observer Rights going forward.

    $150K is not alot, but they are that first investor taking the initial risk and the lead. How do you say no?

  • http://walkercorporatelaw.com Scott Edward Walker

    Another solid post, Mark. As a corporate attorney for entrepreneurs, I would like to make two quick points from the legal side: (i) a board observer can create significant problems with respect to attorney-client privilege issues; and (ii) it is imperative that the company set forth the rights of the observer in an executed agreement, including that (A) the Board Observer shall not be entitled to vote on any matter brought before the Board of Directors; (B) the Board Observer shall be excluded from any portion of any meeting, at the good faith discretion of the Chief Executive Officer of the Company or the Chairman of the Board of Directors, to protect the competitive interests of the Company or where a conflict of interest exists; (C) if the Company has been advised by outside counsel that providing certain information to the Board Observer would be reasonably likely to cause such information to be not subject to an applicable attorney-client or similar privilege, the Company shall be entitled to withhold such information from the Board Observer; and (D) upon request, the Board Observer shall execute a confidentiality agreement in customary form with respect to information obtained in his or her capacity as a Board Observer. Many thanks, Scott

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Sure. No prob. Thanks for asking.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    1. Information Rights mean that as long as they own a fixed percentage (e.g. 5% of common stock) they get the right to regular financial statements
    2. 1:1 meetings on a quarterly or semi-annual meeting are no big deal. Presumably your investor is worth knowing so a good relationship thing.
    3. How do you say, “no?” For one, they might get a board seat as a result of leading the round. You don't promise anything in the future. Your response, “I don't want to bake anything into a future agreement that might make future fund raising more difficult. When/if we raise future money we can have a chat about what make sense.”

    When push comes to shove, if somebody HAS to sit in your board meeting for their $150k, you're talking to the wrong investor.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Thanks for the input. In a practical sense, though, I doubt most of your carve-outs would come to be. Most likely the observer becomes a back-door board member other than really controversial topics.

  • Jeffrey Chernick

    Per your scenario 1, “Information Rights” (please elaborate) and 1-on-1 meetings sound easier said than done, no? Here is an example: you are raising a seed round and your lead investor is putting up the first $150K out of a $500K – $750mm round. Knowing they will lose that board seat upon a second larger round, the lead wants Observer Rights going forward.

    $150K is not alot, but they are that first investor taking the initial risk and the lead. How do you say no?

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    Mark, I'm curious to hear your opinion on open board meetings, where either a broader number of the management team or even all employees are allowed to sit in and even chime in.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I think it can be really productive to have the head of sales lead a pipeline review, the head of marketing talk about the initiatives and the CTO talk about tech issues. But in my experience this works best when they come in for point presentation and don't stay for the whole meeting.

  • http://walkercorporatelaw.com Scott Edward Walker

    Another solid post, Mark. As a corporate attorney for entrepreneurs, I would like to make two quick points from the legal side: (i) a board observer can create significant problems with respect to attorney-client privilege issues; and (ii) it is imperative that the company set forth the rights of the observer in an executed agreement, including that (A) the Board Observer shall not be entitled to vote on any matter brought before the Board of Directors; (B) the Board Observer shall be excluded from any portion of any meeting, at the good faith discretion of the Chief Executive Officer of the Company or the Chairman of the Board of Directors, to protect the competitive interests of the Company or where a conflict of interest exists; (C) if the Company has been advised by outside counsel that providing certain information to the Board Observer would be reasonably likely to cause such information to be not subject to an applicable attorney-client or similar privilege, the Company shall be entitled to withhold such information from the Board Observer; and (D) upon request, the Board Observer shall execute a confidentiality agreement in customary form with respect to information obtained in his or her capacity as a Board Observer. Many thanks, Scott

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Sure. No prob. Thanks for asking.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    1. Information Rights mean that as long as they own a fixed percentage (e.g. 5% of common stock) they get the right to regular financial statements
    2. 1:1 meetings on a quarterly or semi-annual meeting are no big deal. Presumably your investor is worth knowing so a good relationship thing.
    3. How do you say, “no?” For one, they might get a board seat as a result of leading the round. You don't promise anything in the future. Your response, “I don't want to bake anything into a future agreement that might make future fund raising more difficult. When/if we raise future money we can have a chat about what make sense.”

    When push comes to shove, if somebody HAS to sit in your board meeting for their $150k, you're talking to the wrong investor.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Thanks for the input. In a practical sense, though, I doubt most of your carve-outs would come to be. Most likely the observer becomes a back-door board member other than really controversial topics.

  • http://giffconstable.com giffc

    Mark, I'm curious to hear your opinion on open board meetings, where either a broader number of the management team or even all employees are allowed to sit in and even chime in.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I think it can be really productive to have the head of sales lead a pipeline review, the head of marketing talk about the initiatives and the CTO talk about tech issues. But in my experience this works best when they come in for point presentation and don't stay for the whole meeting.

  • http://rafer.tumblr.com rafer

    It's generally within the rules to exclude observers from certain segments of board meetings. Pulling that trigger occasionally tends to keep the situation manageable.

  • http://rafer.tumblr.com rafer

    It's generally within the rules to exclude observers from certain segments of board meetings. Pulling that trigger occasionally tends to keep the situation manageable.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Yeah, for sure. But all too often boards never do that and frankly I think some boards over time sort of forget who the observers are and who the “real” board members are. I'm not that concerned with the crucial decisions but rather the garden variety decisions that boards make. The reason is that the entrepreneur wants to limit the number of investors on the board and sometimes doesn't realize that they end up with “back door” investor board members stacked against them.

  • http://rafer.tumblr.com rafer

    I think that's a california passive-aggressive thing. run the darn things like formal meetings and make the observers feel explicitly silly if they voice an actual vote.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Yeah, for sure. But all too often boards never do that and frankly I think some boards over time sort of forget who the observers are and who the “real” board members are. I'm not that concerned with the crucial decisions but rather the garden variety decisions that boards make. The reason is that the entrepreneur wants to limit the number of investors on the board and sometimes doesn't realize that they end up with “back door” investor board members stacked against them.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Yeah, for sure. But all too often boards never do that and frankly I think some boards over time sort of forget who the observers are and who the “real” board members are. I'm not that concerned with the crucial decisions but rather the garden variety decisions that boards make. The reason is that the entrepreneur wants to limit the number of investors on the board and sometimes doesn't realize that they end up with “back door” investor board members stacked against them.

  • http://rafer.tumblr.com rafer

    I think that's a california passive-aggressive thing. run the darn things like formal meetings and make the observers feel explicitly silly if they voice an actual vote.

  • http://rafer.tumblr.com rafer

    I think that's a california passive-aggressive thing. run the darn things like formal meetings and make the observers feel explicitly silly if they voice an actual vote.

  • http://twitter.com/pcambron Patrick Ambron

    There’s one scenario you didn’t mention and I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts.

    What if the observer is a third founder who doesn’t have a seat on the board?

    For example, say the company has three founders–one is the acting CEO, one is the CTO and the other is just another developer, call him “lead developer/design”.  In a series A, it’s standard to have 2 management/founders, 2 investors and an independent.

    On the one hand, you don’t want to disrupt the even balance, but on the other, it seems like an easy compromise rather than shutting a founder completely out. After all, the other two members are more than likely to speak for him, and you wouldn’t expect him to veer in any unpredictable direction.

    What are your thoughts on this scenario? I ask because I’ve had experience with it


Mark Suster is a 2x entrepreneur who has gone to the Dark Side of VC. He joined GRP Partners in 2007 as a General Partner after selling his company to Salesforce.com. He focuses on early-stage technology companies. Read more about Mark.

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