Startup Founders Should Flip Burgers

by Mark Suster on October 15, 2009

Burgers on the GrillThis is part of my ongoing series Startup Advice.  This is a story of one of the risks of venture capital.

When you’re an early-stage startup that hasn’t raised any institutional money you end up doing almost every job function of the company yourself.  But some companies have entrepreneurs that seem talented on paper, are in a space that seems interesting to investors and are able to raise venture capital early in the company’s existence.  This can often happen when there is a good product built but no real customer adoption yet.  This is what happened to me.

When I founded my first company along with Brian Moran (whose idea it was) I had no real experience running startups.  I had worked for Accenture building computer systems for large corporations.  I had an MBA, had done a few years of strategy consulting and knew all of the management theory. In my defense I had set up several businesses when I was younger and had been president of my fraternity (laugh if you want, I think this was the single best preparation for being an entrepreneur and a leader.)

My company had raised a seed round of capital in late 1999 even before either of us were full time in the company (ominous side note: on the way to pitch our seed investor, Delta Partners, a man walking right in front of me died of a massive heart attack making me late to the meeting.  True story.)  Our first big round of venture capital (our A round) was a whopping $16.5 million which closed the first week of March 2000 – a week before the market crashed.  2 weeks later and we may never have raised any more VC.

burger2The expectations of our company having raised $16.5 million were enormous.  We had to ramp up our team quickly and ramp we did.  I hired a senior exec from the building materials industry (we were a document collaboration company for the engineering & construction industry) who was also ex McKinsey.  He was to head up UK operations.  We hired people to run the UK and Germany.  We hired a head of technology, a head of customer service, a head of marketing, a head of strategy (which no startup should ever hire) a CFO and, ugh, 33 developers.  We built 4 products simultaneously with no market feedback.  But that’s a story for another day.

One the one hand I feel great because we went out and built software that solved an industry problem.  Many companies in this era literally handed over $3-4 million to Ariba or CommerceOne and set up “exchanges.”

On the other hand, I had never had to do the detailed work to get an intuitive feel for what customers wanted or how to train and service them.  I taught me an important lesson: it’s very hard to run a burger chain if you’ve never flipped burgers yourself.  I always encourage young entrepreneurs now to flip burgers for as long as they can.  This includes writing product specs, going on sales calls, handling customer complaints, building the financial model and a host of other activities that will ultimately owned by functional experts.

Quick aside: how can VC’s invest in online businesses, digital media, social networks or mobile applications if they don’t actually use the products actively themselves?  Burger?  Flip?

Back to BuildOnline, following the staggering decline in public market valuations throughout 2000 we were forced to cut our staff dramatically going from 92 employees to 38 in just one day (and down to 33 a month later).  From then on I was forced to do detailed sales calls, get intimately involved with product management decisions and even make minute technical operation decisions.  We recovered well but I think we wasted a good year wandering.

Fast forward 5 years to my second company.  I had learned every lesson (which is why I usually prefer to back second-time entrepreneurs).  We raised just $500k.  We had 6 developers, 1 head of product management, 1 QA in India and me.  I did all of the sales myself.  I did our marketing and didn’t use any outsiders.  I did our logo using Logoworks (who was then a nascent company) with the help of our UI lead Jon Levine.  I did almost every VC meeting myself save for when one of my co-founders, Tim Barker, was in town. I led all of the legal work on company formation and the VC negotiations on the seed round.

I led the sales effort to Salesforce.com when they wanted to buy our product and wrote the training materials and ran many of the training meetings.  I admit that without the huge talent of our product manager and engineering team this company would have never been successful.  I’m not trying to take credit beyond where credit is due.  But my point is that I flipped burgers from day 1.  I did the grunt work.  And this is how it should be in startups.

So if you present to me and the CEO can’t drive the demo or the financial model themselves it is a BIG RED FLAG.  I don’t expect that CEO to be a developer but when the language back about the technology stack is completely superficial it tells me they’ve checked out of important details.  For me, it’s a tell.

When you don’t have money you have to flip burgers.  When you raise VC make sure you keep on hand on the grill.

(second photo credit to Osei (Ozzy) via Flickr)

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  • Absolutely right. I grew up in a family restaurant. On any given night, I may have been scheduled to tend bar, but I could very well end up bussing tables, taking reservations or washing dishes. I learned it all from watching my parents, who did the same thing.

    This experience has been tremendously valuable to me as a startup CEO (my first). And it goes beyond mere flexibility, it's the granular details of the business that one needs to know.

    That being said, without too much redundancy in training, I try to instill in our team the need for everyone to understand each others' roles/practices. Should one teammate fall, we should be able to pick up their slack without missing a step.
  • Excellent. My mom also owned a restaurant (and a bakery) so I spent a lot of time doing every job, too (except cooking, as my wife can attest). Was good experience.
  • Nice article. When leaders are capable (or at least competent) to do the grunt work and participate in any role at their company, within reason, it's a huge tell that they know what they're doing. And I think it is also a great relationship building solution.
  • And it makes your future employees appreciate you more.
  • Tom
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  • Great points. One of the biggest problems of being a smart guy is overconfidence. Ten years ago I was hired as the CTO of a mobile ad technology company founded by a smart, overconfident founder. In a memorable meeting, he explained to our ad sales partners how they should *really* run ad sales. I don't believe he had ever sold ads in his life.

    We ended up spending more than 50% of our development effort building features no one ever used. If we'd retained those funds, or at least directed them on things people *wanted*, there's a good chance we would have survived past 2001.
  • Yes, a little humility never hurts. But to your point, I think the knowing the Minimum Viable Product (MVP) is one of the most important startup lessons. I'm saving that for a separate post. It's what causes companies to build features that users don't want.
  • Exactly -- an MVP acknowledges immediately the need to listen and learn, and a big part of creating a viable MVP (IMHO) is "doing your homework".
  • Totally right!! For my current restaurant technology startup, I actually did a shift as a waiter on 10 cent wing night for Marathon Monday - one of the busiest nights of the Boston restaurant year.

    Learned a tonne.... and by the time it was all done, I felt like I had run a marathon myself!

    But at really well managed companies I've worked at, like Proctor and Gamble, this was par for the course. As part of the on-boarding as a new project manager in their manufacturing facility, my second week was spent as a shift worker on the floor, working shoulder to shoulder with the technicians and hourly staff.
  • Also at P&G, once a week all managers in the company were required to go clean the factory equipment themselves !! To get them acquainted with the state of the lines, but also to send a strong message to the technicians that they were being supported by management
  • Now, if we could only teach you guys to spell ton! ;-)
  • I am reading this, while procrastinating going through some latest modeling projections right now then onto modeling of the V2 user interfaces. The sales calls are where you learn what your customer wants and actually what to build. How else is it done? Isn't this the fun part of being an entrepreneur?? Isn't getting our hands dirty everywhere is what drives us? Never ending challenges and learning. It's an amazing opportunity.

    Jon
  • Yes, I've noticed that you guys have been hands on. Well done. But ... you'd be surprised how often CEO's say "that's not my area of expertise, we'll call the CTO if you want" as though I somehow am going to be able to start asking to start seeing lines of Java code!
  • When it comes to questions like how the code is written would be challenging to answer. But the foundation architecture I would hope would be necessary knowledge. Just like the foundation architecture of the business modeling.

    Anyway, I suspect you get right in there and see exactly where the CEO's knowledge is with your line of questioning. I also hope you are honest with them in your assessment, as you were with my team. Nothing is better than honest feedback. It's what helped my team the most.

    By the way, are you referring to start-up entrepreneurs or seasoned CEO's??

    Jon
  • Excellent post. The fact that learning by experience is superior to any bookish knowledge comes out clearly in your "Startup Advice" posts.

    We would do well if we instill some of above values into our team. I have been pushing everyone in the team to wear multiple hats while we bootstrap our way up.
  • Thanks, Kishore. Multiple hats is a requirement in startups. Too few companies ever let their developers in front of customers. That will be a future blog post.
  • Nice article, it has correctly said that "Experience is the best teacher".
  • Go figure, I was the treasurer of my fraternity. Didn't make it to president! :-)
  • Ah, but you learned how to control the money, which is how you got to where you are so quickly! Took me much longer to get there! ;-)
  • This is going to sound very original of me..., but again, great advice Mark!

    One day I hope you're going to combine all these articles and videos into a great "how to book" (the story told) for Entrepreneurs. Practical advice, tips and f**k ups from someone who's lived it, loved it and has the scars on his back to show for it.
  • video is coming soon, FYI.
  • I used to work for UPS and was always impressed that any candidates for management had to spend at least some time delivering packages. The company just felt it important that everyone in management understand the fundamental thing that the company does. Made sense.
  • Tom
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  • Mark-

    I've been reading a while but haven't dove into the comments until now (kinda like, long time listener, first time caller) but I wanted to say, you've really been writing some great stuff.

    This one especially struck me because I think it embodies why I'm unhappy at my big corp job. I do get to flip burgers. I do execute on the nitty gritty, although I'm a manager, but what I don't like is that I only flip burgers. I don't get to season the fries, clean the grill, or hand the finish product to the customer.

    An important point is that just flipping burgers isn't enough. Similar to your experience, you need to do it all, see every side of the business, so that you can speak to it, and ultimately know how the entire burger joint works.

    Great analogy. Great post. I'll be seein' ya.

    Cheers,
    Ryan
  • Mark - couldn't agree more with you. One of the best jobs I had growing up was being a paperboy. It was like my own little business. I was responsible for getting new customers (selling), collecting from customers and paying my bills (finance), and delivering papers on time (product development) and keeping customers happy (customer service) - feels just like the startup I am running now! It's too bad a lot of jobs like this don't exist for young people these days.

    I also hear your about preferring second-time entrepreneurs. I didn't understand why VC's felt that way until I started my own company. I'm glad you used the word "prefer" because as you know, a lot of great companies have been founded by first timers. In fact, I feel that one of the key items VC's bring to the table (other than capital) is the ability to coach entrepreneurs, particularly first timers, to help them lead and build successful ventures.
  • Yes, it's "prefer" but not a requirement. I just know that first-timers are more susceptible to the obvious mistakes.
  • austinbrandt
    "...and had been president of my fraternity (laugh if you want, I think this was the single best preparation for being an entrepreneur and a leader.)"

    You have no idea how great that is for me to hear from someone like you. I frequently talk about my Fraternity experiences with members of the tech community, and usually do get laughed at. The numerous executive positions I have held thus far in Sigma Chi have provided me a wealth of knowledge no class has been able to teach.

    I'm perfectly okay with people's negative reactions though. It is only further driving me to make my current (and first) startup a success!
  • It is quite a management achievement to get a group of people who don't want to sit in meetings to attend weekly meetings, raise money for charity, pay on time and participate in events. If I could work with those guys when they were in college the rest of management is easy.

    Also, learning to plan events, market our fraternity, decide who to accept, integrate them into the culture. These are all skills required in a startup. Maybe worth its own post. Thanks for your input.
  • What's a technology stack?
  • ;-) excellent
  • Bravo Mark. Yes- can't agree with you more... spent seven years in my first company doing exactly this... everything and anything. It's the only way.
    Loving your blog by the way- just put it on my BlogRoll. A real pleasure.
    Dave
  • Thanks, David. Much appreciated. Just checked out the site. Best, Mark
  • <green card>
  • Rahul
    Totally agree. Its like becoming a general without being a soldier first!
  • great article. i find it so beneficial and motivating to my technical partner to get involved in sales meetings and user experience groups. although i'm not a coder, having him walk through the processes of development helps me understand the struggles he experiences. he flips my burgers, and i flip his. definitely helps us bond as a team and accelerate development.
  • Agreed. I've already started a draft on a posting about how important it is to have coders spend time with customers. Thanks for your input.
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