Comments are the New Black

by Mark Suster on December 13, 2009

black sweaterI’ve been thinking a lot about comments lately.  I recently wrote a post about how to get access to people at conferences and how to connect with people on social networks.  These posts encouraged groups of people to provide their thoughts on these topics.  As usual we began a dialog with lots of people sharing their points of view.

Arnold Waldstein, who stops by periodically on my blog and always leaves relevant comments, made the observation that, “if I want to connect with you, I’ll arnold waldstein fbengage with you on this blog …from there, a follow on Twitter, a link on LinkedIn are closing the loop of connection rather that opening a cold door.”  This is so true.

I got to thinking more broadly about social networks and the real-time web.  Many people who want to get to know me send me a LinkedIn invite, connect on Facebook or more recently follow me on Twitter.  On LinkedIn we rarely communicate with each other.  So being Linked seems nothing more than a status symbol.  Occasionally I’ll get an LinkedIn email from somebody saying, “I see you know such-and-such, would you mind connecting me?”  In a way, LinkedIn has become mostly a chore for me – a place to provide intros for two people that I know.

Facebook has much more value to me as a networking tool.  When I sent out 300 invites in early 2006 people thought I was crazy.  Given that I’m 41 most of the people I invited were 35-45 and hadn’t done much social networking other than LinkedIn.  At the time I proclaimed Facebook the new LinkedIn because you could do so much more and people were actually communicating rather than just having static links.  The power to me was that I had already been blogging about my personal life and my children as well as separately about my startup.  But I constantly had to remind people every time I updated my blog (very few non-technical people were using RSS readers and nobody had even heard of Twitter) and I thought Facebook provided a way for me to publish pictures, blogs or random thoughts into a community rather than the community having to remember to find me.  Powerful stuff.

And Facebook continued to innovate while all this time I have continued to wonder WTF LinkedIn was up to.  Facebook added obvious features like IM.  The smartest of networkers have realized that IM through Facebook, if used appropriately, is the best way to get through to people.  Send me an email and it goes to the bottom of a very big stack of inbound communications for which I’m already weeks behind.  Send me a sychronous IM when you already know that I’m online by my presence (side note: Facebook seems to often say I’m there when I’m not) and you have a greater chance of engaging me.

rajatThis is exactly how Rajat Suri uses Facebook as he outlined in his comment here on my blog.  Rajat and I have become friends this way and have now switched over to occasional phone calls.  It’s also how Jason Nazar and I started communicating.  He noticed that I’m often on my computer at midnight and he would shoot my little one liners about the great progress that DocStoc was making.

But you can’t really IM somebody you have zero connection with.  At least in my age & demagraphic it’s considered too forward – kind of like calling on me on my mobile phone unsolicited.  You have to establish a pretty good connection with somebody before you IM them.

And then there’s Twitter.  I’ve already spoke about one of the things I love the most about Twitter is that it is asymmetrical and doesn’t require a two-way follow to connect.  Using the @ command anybody who follows me (or even if they don’t) can send a little message that will go into my @ mailbox on Twitter.  I read almost all of these.  For any clever comment from somebody who I don’t know I will often click through to their bio.  If there’s a link I’ll often look at their blog or LinkedIn profile (depending on where the link sends me) and I’ll look at their Twitter stream to see if they’ve said anything interesting.

This phenomenon led Jan Schultink to comment that we increasingly size people up online in a Malcom Gladwell “Blink” sort of way and establish a sense of trust based on what we read about the individual, the type of comments they make and what they write about in their blogs.  This is how I met Tristan Walker.  He left me a comment on Twitter.  I clicked through to his blog from his Twitter profile and in a Blink evaluation decided to follow him back on Twitter and comment back to him.

trispic2One day I was in Palo Alto with an hour to kill.  I Tweeted that I’d like to meet somebody for coffee and had 6 responses in 60 seconds.  One was from Tristan.  We’d never met IRL but I felt that I knew he was a good guy from my Blink impression online.  We spent an hour together and then started doing occasional phone calls.  I love his initiative and now consider him a friend.  Strange – we’ve only met in person once.

So how does this all tie back into comments?  As Fred Wilson pointed out, there is a community that forms on blogs.  Many of the same people turn up and they comment on my posts.  Sometimes they offer words of encouragement, sometimes they disagree with me and sometimes they form conversations with other people that regularly turn up.

It is far easier to build a relationship with me on my blog by commenting then it is to connect on a social network.  I see Arnold here all the time – more than I ever would on Facebook where I don’t spend as much time.  I see David Smuts, David Semeria, Eric Jackson and the many, many more people that stop by to leave their views.  I have now met many of these people IRL.

Comments are a gateway.  They enable you to more easily connect to people in more personal ways like Facebook.  They give you more permission to IM somebody through that channel.  They allow you to get to know how somebody thinks and draw you into wanting to know them better.  They are more than Blink – they are deep dive, continual and built over time.  Comments are the coffee shop banter that we miss being in this busy and digital world.

Disqus has enabled all this.  In a way, I think that the information that you can find in the “stream” of Disqus comments is far more valuable than that which you will find in Twitter.  It is a real conversation.  It is threaded.  It is already organized around vertical niches and topics.  And because Disqus has been built in a clever way it is portable, searchable and ready to be broadcast out via Twitter or other social networks.

Yeah, once we’re friends on Disqus through comments you can connect with me more easily on Twitter, Facebook or LinkedIn.  But I think we’ll always know each other better here in my comments section.  Or yours.  Comments are the new black.

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  • toddnichols
    Great post Mark,

    As an aspiring entrepreneur I appreciated the insight into networking and connecting with those who have much more experience than I. We stand on the shoulders of giants :)
  • This is a big hit Mark. Giving a shout out to regulars is always appreciated by a community. When you mentioned Disqus, I thought about Arnold Waldstein, and David Semeria. I've gotten to share comments, tweets, emails with these gents and feel much more at ease piping up here.

    It's a wide wonderful world, but the folks that really care about forging businesses in this space is pretty tight. I look forward to learning more about your unique experiences.
  • It's worth strongly stating that all the above maxims for networking and self-promotion also apply the the marketing of products. Comments generates distribution and revenue if you take it seriously.
  • I think that people that use the same social media tools figure they must have something more in common than just the topic a blog is centered around. Humans, being social creatures, also want to be popular or in the crowd that's trendy and making a big impact. Remember ICQ? At one time it seemed that everyone online had an ICQ number. Who's using it anymore? Disqus is good, and it also happens to be trendy.

    Disqus is like that old bulletin board discussion but spread all over instead of in one location. People who like to comment use it. That's something that Disqus does, it brings commenters together. Where do the lurkers hang out? ;-)
  • Mark,

    Interesting perspective. However, I wonder if it is true in general? With your role as a VC many people want to connect with you. That's a lot more demand than the average person sees. I'm wondering if your thoughts are really most appropriate for the niche celebrity who blog vs. the broader spectrum of bloggers or even people?

    JMTCW.
  • Looking forward, I foresee the day when employers/headhunters use social networking sites to recruit employees.
    People often reveal their motives/thoughts/values through social networking, without realizing that information in cyberworld has the potential to linger forever.
  • I read "Comments are the New Black" and I find it amusing. Not because I disagree (of course not), but because at first thought it's hard to imagine that comments are new. But I know exactly what you mean.

    Comments has been this concept that we always knew was very important, but it was previously important in this boring way. Subpar experience, high barriers to say anything--short or long--, and supported by websites in a way that is ignoring the rest of the web. That's why I'm loving what we're doing here with Disqus in shifting this notion.

    Of course community is more that comments. You'll quickly learn that it's hard to get passive readers to become active commenters (although it's not impossible), and that's why light engagement (I think Fred popped up in here and mentioned that) is important.

    Comments is that classic black sweater, familiar but worn in a new way that reminds you why it was so great in the first place.
  • Yeah, true. Not new but done much better. Well done, Daniel. But I think my analogy still holds. Every year purple is the new black. Brown is the new black. It's always just a retread of future seasons. At least in your case there's true innovation.
  • Agreed. Definitely won't argue with that. ;)
  • I do think that in many ways exchanging user generated content is the wave of the future. No longer do people expect to be told what the best vacuum is, they like to hear about other people's experience.
  • love disqus
  • davidshore
    Another great post, Mark. Thanks!

    Here's a question and a follow-up to this post. I'd love your thoughts on why CEOs should blog - to their online community, users of their site, employees, investors. What are the benefits of taking the time to get into a routine to do so?
  • David, I have that planned as a future blog post. If I don't do it in the next 30 days feel free to remind me.
  • I totally agree with Ken McArthur in that the reason disqus is valuable is that the people who choose to implement it are interested in two-way conversation.

    Folks who aren't interested in making comments easy aren't interested in conversation.

    You do a great job of keeping the interaction two-way and engaging and responding to folks who post relevant comments, so kudos to you my friend.
  • thanks for the input, Ryan. I can't imagine the point of a blog if you didn't make it a conversation. Otherwise you're just an old-school publisher.
  • Totally agree. It will be nice to see big publishers start to use commenting
    systems and turn "articles" into discussions...in due time.
  • RichardForster
    The combination of Disqus and a blog owner that tends to the comments is hugely powerful in creating a community.

    Personally I think Disqus could add on a bunch of social tools that would make it far more attractive to me as a social network than the current combination of Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn, all of which I find unsatisfactory to a large part in interacting with people on a professional level.
  • Yeah, I'd be interested to understand what plans Disqus has to make the product more "social" going forward. I'd bet they are aware of this requirement.
  • Mark – your blog, including the comments, is becoming a lot of work, just after Mashable. Thanks for the Disqus hint, precious, and the whole Comments Cloud concept.

    May I take advantage of your post to ask a side question (to anyone who wishes to answer): should I use Facebook Connect or Disqus to build traction for an online community I’m launching? From the above comments it seems Disqus has the same advantages of FB Connect (in particular it leverages the strength of FB, though with a couple more clicks) without the disadvantages (other networks are allowed, and I own the comments – no more risk of losing everything any moment).

    Thanks.

    (P.S.: I feel an idiot but I don’t understand what black means …)
  • Facebook Connect is a useful authentication tool. It allows you to quickly sign-in to dedicated commenting systems, such as Disqus.

    Black refers to the dippy fashion industry, where every year a new colour is deemed "the new black".
  • There is a good reason for that...

    If you wear monochrome of a dark color (especially black) you look thinner and it shows off the rest of what you wear in the way of accessories better. So it makes it easy to look put together cheaply and potentially very interestingly if you know what you are doing.

    And this is how you know I'm a girl...
  • I think Disqus (commenting system for blogs) and FBConnect (the ability to scrape a pre-existing social graph) have very different use cases so make sure what you want to achieve and map the functionality to that. They are quite different products.

    re: "black" ... well ... Everybody in New York (or many urban environments) seems to wear black all the time. So every year designers would come out and say things like, "brown is the new black" or "purple is the new black" as in the staple you wear all the time. I'm sure somebody can give a better explanation than that but that's how we use it in the Suster household. It's the new staple you're going to use everyday. And we now use it mostly jokingly.
  • Tony Karrer
    Mark - I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but have a different experience with LinkedIn. You said - "In a way, LinkedIn has become mostly a chore for me – a place to provide intros for two people that I know."

    Maybe you don't reach out much for expertise in particular areas (which would surprise me), but the ability to search and create conversations in LinkedIn with people who have very specific expertise is invaluable.

    I agree that it's not a good place for conversation, but as the front-end for tapping expertise ... it's incredible.

    LinkedIn Guide for Knowledge Workers
  • Fred,

    I'm pretty hard-core for reading your blog. It's the first thing I do every day, but this is the first comment I've made -- and it's on another blog.

    That's not because I'm not hard-core. It's because I want to make sure that the value of whatever relationship we develop remains high.

    Increasing the community is about having a two-way conversation that compels people to chime in and tell others.

    It's a value proposition and a factor of the viral coefficient. If there is no value in spreading the word the community won't grow. To make it grow it need to have a viral coefficient above 1.0.

    The value can be an outlet for anger and frustration or a chance to spread our own self-importance. Or it can be the wonderful feeling that we get from having a chance to help others.

    The types of value we get from communities is endless, but whatever the value needs to be pointed out and nurtured. At my joint venture events the conversation is all about the family and not so much about the dollars. I point out that value every time talk about the community.

    It doesn't always build the comments, but it does expand the community.

    All the best,

    Ken
  • thanks for the input, Ken. And make sure to leave similar comments over at avc.com!
  • The best thing about Linkedin, unlike the others, is that it is GREAT for helping you find/connect with people that have special skills or knowledge outside your domain. If you are focused on a certain market, industry, etc., this is not as much value. However, if you are getting into pharma marketing analytics and you need to find someone with this experience, it is much better than Facebook or anything else. I connected with the head of Informatics for Kasier Permanente in CA via a friend in MN like this. I also found an amazing marketing guy with HR/recruiting app credentials in Seattle who was 2 degrees away.
  • A sweet user experience is mypeoplemaps.com. Find all the ways, and the strength of each way, you're connected to a person you need to meet. It literally produces a map for you. It's a very cool thing.

    whodoyouknowat.com greases the wheels too, but in a little more walled fashion, which might be good for some people.

    Due to everyone's network being consolidated in one or two API-friendly spots, I think we'll see 9 services per year start coming out, which will be helpful yet annoying.*

    *Just like networking.
  • Yeah, you're right. There are many great reasons to use LinkedIn and I didn't publish all the ways I use it. But I will in a future post. The thing is - it's more of a networking database for finding sales leads than it is a social network IMHO.
  • Now wearing Black. :)

    Great Post. I enjoyed your "early" '06 references...
  • Thank you. Early '06 were some crazy times. Bubble 2.0.
  • Comments also allow you to see how someone frames a problem or issue and responds to it. Whether agreeing or disagreeing over something its the "something" that counts vs. the typical banter when you first meet someone that doesn't show you how they effectively think through a problem or topic.

    Unless you are in an interview setting it can be tough to pry some of that critical thinking out.

    By creating good seed topics that have many answers or possibilities is a great way to spark a conversation on your blog - something that is happening now within this thread.
  • True. I hadn't thought of that. IM is usually more superficial. It is also 1:1 and not permanent. Comments on blogs require you to be more thoughtful and try to move the conversation forward. And, I must admit, I love occasionally not being constrained to 140 characters.
  • Thanks for the nod for me too. I wonder at what stage in my career my exuberant profile picture starts to become a liability.... maybe that's how I'll know it's time to stop doing whatever, and go back to starting companies ;)

    Another trick I use apart from Facebook to build relationships via IM is to try to get the Gmail address of the person, since Gmail automatically adds you to Gchat even after you send emails.

    I really think IM is incredibly useful to build relationships - its a natural, low-pressure step in between emails/comments and phone calls/meetings. I wish it was actually seen as more 'professional' by older folks, and used in business more often. I can't imagine a VC saying 'stay in touch! I'd love to help! ....oh and here's my IM info so you can message me when you have questions' NEVER happens

    I try to get as many other founders of companies on my IM list as possible, so I can ask questions, do reference checks or just bitch about startup life ;) This is basically the only time-efficient way to build these relationships beyond casual acquaintances - there is no time at conferences, and exclusive meetings without a defined purpose are costly in many ways. (Why meet to shoot the breeze when you could be coding the next big feature or preparing sales materials?)

    Finally, at any given time on my computer, I have Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Gmail and Skype open each with their own contact lists and message streams. First thing in the morning I check each one in turn. It'd be nice to have all that on one platform, but maybe it'll never happen??
  • Rajat, OK, you have to give VCs some credit. re: NEVER happens I think I pretty much suggested you call me on the phone when we barely knew each other! I know others who do it. It's just hard because some people abuse the privilege and when you're dealing with large numbers of people it can create problems.

    re: one unified platform - use Digsby. It does what you're asking. I use it. When you IM me from Gmail or Facebook I never know the difference. It always comes up in one client.
  • Digsby - didn't know about that, will look it up.

    Re: NEVER - I think you're a pretty major exception Mark! In a lot of ways. Maybe it's just an East Coast vs West Coast thing, but it's far less common here in Boston for VCs to make themselves available. And they get a lot of stick for it too by the blunt startup reporters (see Scott Kirsner 's blog). In fact in Boston many of the VC offices are located something like 30 mins drive from Cambridge/Boston where all the startups live - so it basically costs us $30-$40 to rent a Zipcar for each meeting.

    But yes, there are a couple great ones here too.

    Also my comment was more to encourage the use of IM in addition to phone/email as a medium to build relationships between investor and founder, rather than a comment on VC availability.
  • Digsby - didn't know about that, will look it up.

    Re: NEVER - I think you're a pretty major exception Mark! In a lot of ways. Maybe it's just an East Coast vs West Coast thing, but it's far less common here in Boston for VCs to make themselves available. And they get a lot of stick for it too by the blunt startup reporters (see Scott Kirsner 's blog here: http://bit.ly/4fInp5 ). In fact in Boston many of the VC offices are located something like 30 mins drive from Cambridge/Boston where all the startups live - so it basically costs us $30 to rent a Zipcar for each meeting.

    But yes, there are a couple great ones here too.

    Also my comment was more to encourage the use of IM in addition to phone/email as a medium to build relationships between investor and founder, rather than a comment on VC availability.
  • Rajat, come on, not ALL of us Boston-area VCs are out there on Hamburger Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hamburge...). Our firm is right across the street from MIT, and we welcome conversations with entrepreneurs. Not just when they're ready to talk about investment, but also when they're still trying to figure out their business.

    And we are not alone. The number of venture firms in Kendall Square is growing, and there are still a fair number of firms in downtown Boston as well.

    Personally, email works better for me than IM or Twitter, but perhaps that's because I also have regular interactions with lots of entrepreneurs on a daily basis, face to face, in a very low-pressure setting, at CIC.
  • No worries Geoff, I'm a fan - I'm pretty sure you're geographically the closest firm to MIT? I like your 'casual' setting for an office too. One thing that sometimes weirds me out is the overly opulent and cold settings for many VC offices. I understand firms like to show how successful they are, but personally I'm not that impressed with fancy furniture and layers of personal assistants - I see a lot of it as 'big company' / 'we've-made-it' thinking and something to avoid.
  • Very thoughtful post. A simple and yet very effective Online Presence Management guide.
  • Mark

    Thnx much for the nod above.

    And thanks for pulling this community together and creating a spot for us to hang out.

    I'm a big fan of Disqus as a platform for online conversations that has the oomph to let them turn into communities. With dynamic glue like Disqus, a rock star blogger to lead, and a smart and opinionated community, we can hash things out and the world benefits somehow.
  • Oh you deserve it.
  • Wow, Mark, way to ratchet up the pressure on commenters. Now I'm going to have to find another, less stressful way to procrastinate. ;-)

    You're right, of course.
  • Ha. I had to find a way to flush people out of consume-only mode and get some comments going!
  • Mark, credit to you for bringing this community together, I know this has been a lot of work (seriously). It's been a great networking tool for me personally as I've been connected with some amazing people here. I only see this community getting stronger and stronger!
  • Thanks, David. And add you to the people I've been lucky enough to meet in person as a result of conversations started here!
  • I still remember that day. That was the day I realized I was part of something bigger than myself, and that I had impact. In reality, by myself, I'm small. It was also the day I became totally sure that being in Tech was what I wanted to do, and I would figure out how. I think also at that moment that blog super-cememented into a community, which was extremely interesting to see. I can say that people know me, even if they never met me. It's different, very different. I maintain a life outside of it, but still.

    I think underneath it is why I developed that AVC-People-List, which caused some interesting effects...those commentators (sorry if I haven't added you @shanacarp if you think you should be on it) know more about each other now if they feel like following the list. About a 1/4 do, and they talk to each other even more because of it...

    so I think you are very right. It is just hard, because you need critical mass and a way of connecting. And a way of further cemementing the connections once they are made. That is what makes Disqus successful, since it helps bind the connections as a starting point, but in the long run, seeing what is happening, it can't be the only tool in your toolbox. Communities have to be forged very carefully in order to be maintained and survive in the long haul. As much as I hate to admit it, what would happen if there was no Fred Wilson. That could eventually happen. There needs to be a tipping point of the brand where the community is self sustaining of its own choice. And that is the most difficult work to find out how to do. Find how to make self sustaining communities.

    difficult work in the internet generation indeed.
  • You're right. It's an investment in creating new content all the time and you have to double-down to make sure you read all the comments, add back and keep the conversation going. I personally enjoy it. I'm sure Fred does or he wouldn't be able to maintain it as long as he has. But you do need some people committed to a community - just like in real life.
  • Thank you for the complement. I'm bad about making content on my own blog. I prefer to comment, to be part of growing communities. It's an important way to be active in work. Free flowing thought is extremely difficult. Comments at least give you a way of getting started. It, along with wikis and other collaborative tools, are a great way of getting started about some topic or problem. It's just hard to implement well. We'll see how this all develops long run.

    I'm glad you enjoy it. It's not for everyone. I just wish disqus brought back permalinking from within the comments. Some of them I would stick in a resume -they tell more of a story about me and many people I interact with that I think it would be useful to have back.
  • I once made an off-the-cuff comment on Fred Wilson's blog that Diqus "turns comments into communities" - Arnold Waldstein liked it, and wrote an interesting post about it on his blog.

    I think it's really interesting that we're discussing similar ideas here, and with many of the same people. It seems to me that it's the nature of the conversation itself (rather than the location or the medium) which brings us together - and I think this could be a small pointer as to how things will develop in the future....
  • David,

    Thanks for the kind words.

    You are the catalyst for a lot of ideas. And yes, 'Comments into communities' did spur some thinking on my part that drew real parallels between Disqus today and what early communities have been trying to solve for decades. http://bit.ly/1bfHWf
  • And it was your comments on my last post the spurred the ideas for this one. Thank you.
  • I trust that this exchange will continue on and spur other ideas for both of us.

    Again, thnx for the gracious nod.
  • yes, comments turn into communities on places like this blog, but how do we get more people to join these communities?

    i have between 70,000 and 100,000 people who read at least one of my posts a month (don't know the exact number because i don't have uniques on my feed).

    the AVC community probably numbers in the thousands and the hard core is a couple hundred

    that's what i'm thinking about right now
  • RichardForster
    it's the same dilemma that a bar or restaurant has in a way isn't it Fred? You will always get hard core regulars that drop by more frequently and like to occupy the same spot at the bar and those people that drop by because they are thirsty/hungry at any particular point in time and by whatever stimuli are attracted to walk in off the street .

    In the same way that there are those that want and enjoy taking part in your community there are those that just see your posts as articles to be consumed like a newspaper. The problem seems to me that the vast majority of internet content is just consumed, one way, by the masses. It will change gradually over time but to speed up that shift to interact with the content, it requires mainstream media to adopt the Disqus type of model along with a real desire to create discussion rather than paying lip service with an anonymous "type your comment here" box.

    Probably more significant, I think, is the time constraint of joining and participating in a community. Something that is mirrored off line. It's easy to read a blog and take what you want from it rather than sit down, think about what you want to say and type it out. (You could argue that Disqus may actually be putting people off contributing because it's easier to bang out thoughtless comment into a commentary system a la TC)
  • I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing: It's how those communities intersect that becomes important over time. We're all part of multidimensional communities, and are multidimensional people- most of my friends don't even know that I do this. It might be good to develop a broad way of smaller groups to interact rather than trying to make everyone interact on large scale parties.

    Easier to handle too.
  • I'm betting you have a lot more hard core readers than a couple of hundred. A LOT of people, like me, probably read and enjoy - but don't write alot. What can you do to make it easier for people to comment on contribute in the conversation in someway? simple surveys?
  • that's the question i've been pondering

    on tumblr, people like and reblog as lightweight ways to interact that don't
    require as much time as a comment
  • I still wish I knew who that hard cores' twitter ids were....
  • And there are clearly related blogs that cover similar topics and it would be great if there was a cross-blog way to discuss topics more seamlessly.

    My Google analytics show about 40,000 / month to this blog and my "community" is probably 1,000 with hard-core more like 75-100. I find analytics very complicated because my Wordpress analytics show about 30% higher numbers.

    I also publish on other sites as I'm sure you must and it would be great to have one big integrated set of comments. It's hard to always go and check CloudAve, Silicon Angle, VentureHacks, BusinessInsider, etc. I now need to be on a mission to get more people using Disqus.
  • "Cross blog way to discuss topics more seemlessly"--interesting.

    I can follow my friends movements by subscribing to their Disqus page I believe and see what they are commenting about. But the other side is intersecting communities, sort of a crowd sourced information community where topics aggregate into a new hub. Technically feasible. Dynamics are a bit boggling to imagine.
  • I have to do more of that....
  • Go for it ;)
  • The problem is information overload. While these tools and technologies enable this level of communication and the ability to follow your friend's thoughts and movements, often it is just too much to be able to follow in a cohesive and effective manner. It's going to take a lot more research, design, and testing to really make this seamless and time-effective.
  • Hey there Kerry, good to see you in this conversation.

    I agree to a point. Information flow will only increase. Smart filters that can be personalized, and made smarter by the process itself, will let us sit on top of all this flow and manage our networks from our own individual vantage point.

    It's a dream that is getting closer all the time.
  • Exactly. The information influx is outpacing the development of the tools to which to manage the information right now. Given time, this will change although I can't imagine what this will look like in the end. Some people already know that they are missing out on valuable conversations every day but there simply isn't the tools to follow it all yet.

    Where's my personal digital Agent that both Microsoft and Apple promised us over a decade ago?
  • talk to daniel at disqus about one comment thread for multiple cross posts

    i've been asking for that feature for years and it's available via a hack
    (business insider uses the hack when they run my posts there)

    i think if it were productized, it would be huge for bloggers like us
  • ldmangin
    Given the subject of the post, and the direction the comments have taken, it definitely feels appropriate i'd make my first contribution now!

    When i first came across Mark's blog a few months ago, I immediately went back the very first post and read everything I had missed. [Side note: I have been awed by the quality of the insight, the relevance of the subjects (to me as an entrepreneur) and regularity of new posts. Love it.] Eventually, as I caught on to the depth and breadth of community contributions and the discussions that would sometimes developed in the comments section, so I went back and reread everything again, this time reading all the comments too.

    What i've noticed is something which I believe is pervasive in the ‘blogosphere’, and which both bloggers and their community both participate in: People rarely asks questions… Comments usually echo (either for or against) the post – they do build on it, but in a very formal step by step process. When people asks questions, then conversations develop as a natural by product (like in this comments thread – as this community has matured, people have become more comfortable not having a rigid environment (i.e. social policies/politeness) control the interactions. It takes time and credibility to build the necessary trust to do so, but the results are evident when looking at the increased interactions the comments section has had here.

    This blog does a wonderful job of engaging its readers intellectually and with concrete wisdom, and hopefully gets them thinking about the application of this wisdom to their own circumstances, but it rarely asks the readers’ questions directly (it makes me ask questions of myself as an entrepreneur though which is why I love it). In general, a blog serves as a one way communication tool – one to many. In rare instances, you come across a blog like BothSidesOfTheTable, where the writer actively contributes not just posts, but comments to the comments as well (something that made me instantly respect Mark was how he would thank people for their comments). This definitely adds an extra dimension to the community, but, overall, it remains constrained by its origins (i.e. it is a blog not a forum). Taking it to the next level requires something more, in terms of concerted effort as well as core functionality.

    I therefore propose, as a response to Fred Wilson’s question of how you get the community to switch from passive to active, that the most basic solution is that, as the writer, you need to ask your audience questions and you need to encourage them to ask questions back.

    What do you all think?
  • First, thank you for deciding to contribute and thank you for the kind words. It's funny to me what you say because when I think about what to write I often think about questions I want to ask but when I get in my head during the writing process it never comes out this way. I think asking questions would be a great thing. I'll give it more thought. Some of the things I had mentally planned to ask people in future posts were: how often should a blogger write, should I write shorter posts or is the current length OK, should I cover different topics and on and on. Not just narcissistic questions about how people want me to blog but also about how others see the world. I'll try this out a couple of times in 2010. Thanks for the encouragment.
  • yeah - while there's going to be a natural upper limit to participation, i think ldmangin is onto something. asking questions could be what helps get those long time/first time people out of the woodwork. i think bloggers like you, mark, probably assume that the implicit questions coming out of the stuff you post will be identified and discussed by your readers naturally, and they are...but if you're not explicit about it - i.e. talking in the second person with an actual question mark and all - it's less likely that that slightly more introverted cross-section will chime in. noodling on ways we can do more from the application side too. -ro @ disqus
  • doctorbilal
    hi my friend how r u?
  • You're right. Occasionally I'll end a post with, "what do you think" but in general I sort of assume that people will feel like they can add any comments to what I write. Often people expand on the topic in ways that I wish I would have in the post so it's very helpful. But I'll keep in mind that I need to be more explicit about asking questions. As I said, one goal for 2010!
  • It's a great goal. One of the reasons I ended up on AVC.com was because I found it intellectually stimulating. Asking questions that way might expand that level of commentary. Just remember, be a polite party host. (I admit to being a little scared of communities that I'm not invited to sometimes- people can be brutal when you don't know something.)
  • ldmangin
    I think it also comes down to what type of community and comments you want to attract. Personally, I see a blog as a very private space - this is your blog and everyone comes here to read your thoughts first and foremost. I would say it is up to blogger to take the first step in breaking down those barriers and drawing the community in to an active contribution.

    The outreach can occur in lots of different ways: from encouraging comments about the blog as a whole, as you mention, to drawing people in on a comment by comment basis by asking for feedback on specific posts/events. For instance, easy to ask people to relate a successful example of social networking (or one gone horribly wrong).

    Some of the underlying functionality of the blog can also go a long way, as I agree with Ro that there is a limit to active participation - but i could envisage some little features that encourage the 'read only' part of the community to express themselves with a lower level of participation then a full comment.
  • dereklicciardi
    The other way to engender conversation is to simply take a stand. When a binary topic presents itself to you and you feel like blogging about it, take a stand and pick a side. Blogs are personal. Leave the unbiased reporting to Fox News and CNN. (yes I know that's an oxymoron) I don't read blogs for a description of the problem space. I read blogs for someone's opinion on how to approach the problem space with a solution. It can be about starting a company, building a web site or designing a user interface to a game. All that matters is that the author take a stand and clearly define his/her position on the topic. If your blog has a following, then that in and of itself should be enough to get people to agree or disagree and talk about it in the comments.

    For what it's worth, you seem to already do this so continue to do it. :)
  • Thanks, Derek. Yeah, I don't think I'm shy about taking a point-of-view - even if controversial. But I think inviting people to comment with questions is probably the right approach as people have requested.
  • I'm currently trying that with places I know have strong communal activity- problem is they are very SEO concious and they are complaining of rumors that Javascript linking is beating them down. And they don't have your profile either...

    Suggestions?
  • In your post which Mark linked to you describe AVC as a bar where people drop in from time to time and share their thoughts, idiosyncrasies (Mark Swan!) and stories (JLM). Personally, I see it more like a jazz bar.

    When I was a student I used to go regularly to Ronnie Scott's in London. Frequently, at the tables next to mine there would be Members of Parliament, or other accomplished people. Everyone got on just fine, there was no snobbery or bother - it was a great leveler. I always felt 'part of something' - even though I couldn't put my finger on it.

    So, I'll answer your question with one of my own: would you (or Mark, we're in his house after all!) prefer the atmosphere in Ronnie's (or CBGB's) - to that of a mega concert in some soulless stadium?
  • hmm. that's like clay shirkey's assertion that social nets are like
    parties. they are great until they get too big
  • Why are we all heading here? This is an interesting merger of communities right now?
  • I prefer smalls personally when I am NY....
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