What Makes an Entrepreneur? Cojones (7/11)

by Mark Suster on January 5, 2010

bull manThis is part of my series on what makes an entrepreneur successful.  I originally posted it on VentureHacks, one of my favorite websites for entrepreneurs.

I started the series talking about what I consider the most important attribute of an entrepreneur : Tenacity.  I then covered Street SmartsAbility to PivotResiliencyInspiration and Perspiration.

You need the whole package

Through comment conversations with many of you I tried to emphasize that it isn’t enough to just have one attribute. Being tenacious without the mental flexibility to pivot based on market feedback is a disaster. Having street smarts with no inspirational ability to build teams can yield a great small business but will be difficult to scale into a large VC-backed business.

So we as VCs search for entrepreneurs/founders who have the whole package or as much of it as possible. Few people have it.

These are often amazingly talented people who are really strong in some of the skill areas and there is no shame in this. They often make great team members such as head of products, CTO, head of sales, CFO, etc. Great companies are comprised of great individual point people or functional leaders.

But when I’m looking to write my check I need to look in the eyes of the captain —the maestro who brings the whole orchestra together.

There are plenty of great leaders who work really hard and work for big companies.  And we’re lucky because they deliver many of the great products, services and content that we consume in our lives every day.  Some of these individuals get the bug to “do something entrepreneurial” but once you’re in the cozy confines of a well paid and well respected job it can be very difficult to take the kind of risk that entrepreneurs will.

7. Appetite for risk

bungee jumpEntrepreneurs are inherently risk takers. Not wild speculators, but pragmatic risk takers who have a blind belief that they will find a way to make things work. If you put on paper what it would take to be successful in your company, you’d never take the first step, which is why most people don’t. It is often called a “leap of faith” because you jump from safety into the abyss with only the blind faith that you’ll find a way.

I know it sounds trite to say that entrepreneurs are risk takers so let me describe the normal, rational person who I meet on a regular basis. I was recently onTWiST with Jason Calacanis. A caller dialed in to ask us questions about his startup. He was from South America but living in Switzerland and had launched a startup while holding down a day job at a consulting firm (McKinsey if memory serves). He wanted to raise angel money. I told him to quit his job first. If he wasn’t prepared to do that he wasn’t a real entrepreneur.

I know that 80+% of the people listening to me must have thought that was the wrong advice. But to me if you’re not willing to quit and take a risk on yourself, then you’re not confident enough in your own idea and skills. Why should I be? If your idea is so amazing that it warrants my hard-earned angel money or the money of my LP investors from our fund then why should I take a risk on you if you won’t take a risk on yourself?

About a year ago I had lunch with a guy who I believe is an amazing entrepreneur. He had built and sold his first company and had good ideas for his second company. He gave me the 50,000 foot idea and he was convinced that this idea would be a monster. The problem was that he was still working out the lock-up period in his big company.

He and his partner told me about this new idea over the course of nearly a year. I finally called bullshit. If this idea was so big then why would they risk not being first to market, not building defensible IP for the sake of a few hundred thousand dollars extra in lock-up money at a big company? I think the mind of an entrepreneur would be far more paranoid about yielding his great next idea than protecting his last 20% payout on the last one. They finally quit. I’m enjoying watching their progress.

I recently read the book eBoys about the founding of Benchmark Capital and the founding of eBay.  In the book they profile how VC worked in the early days (60s / 70s).  Partners in VC funds only wanted to fund entrepreneurs who had a certain percentage of their net worth tied up in their venture.  That’s hard core.  And we all know the fables about how people used to start businesses by taking a second mortgage on their home or by running up credit card debt.

Your financial risks of starting most technology companies these days are so low.  It’s lost salary for a period of time.  Servers, databases, bandwidth – they’re all virtual now.  And cheap.  VCs don’t have the same net worth litmus test and great entrepreneurs have a ton of sources for seed money to get financed very early.

You have kids, a mortgage, MBA debt? Not my problem. If your situation and risk profile doesn’t afford you the ability to be a risk taker I totally understand.  But remember what you learned in your MBA course – less downside / less upside … risk vs. reward.

What about VC’s and Risk?

I run the recruiting process for my VC firm, GRP Partners. About 18 months ago in early 2008 we hired an analyst (pre-MBA), but wanted to wait until after Summer to hire a post-MBA associate. It was May. I received an unsolicited resume from a second-year MBA student at Stanford. He had exactly the skills I was looking for in an associate. I interviewed him on the phone and in person. I introduced him to my partners who liked him.

We weren’t ready to hire an associate yet so I offered him a summer internship. He told me that, as a second-year student, he could only accept a summer internship if I would guarantee him the job in the fall if he performed well. He wanted an assurance that if he performed well, we wouldn’t go through a recruiting process.

I told him I couldn’t guarantee that. If he was confident in his skills he should take the internship. I told him I couldn’t imagine that a guy performing really well on the inside had anything to worry about from a great resume and interview from somebody we didn’t really know. I told him to join and “become part of the furniture.”

Without the guarantee, he turned me down. A few months later he called me back and said he would take the internship. I told him, “Sorry mate, it was a one-time offer. You had the door cracked open and should have taken it.”

Was I too harsh? I don’t think so. I want our associate to have empathy for the customers we serve — our portfolio companies. If the person I hired wasn’t cut from the same cloth as an entrepreneur, then how could I expect him to be able to see inside the mind of entrepreneurs?

I Practice What I Preach

I joined GRP Partners in 2007 before they raised their current fund (we closed a $200 million fund in March 2009). They told me not to join until after the fund-raising was done. I told them it was now or never. “Once you’re done raising a fund you’ll hire anybody you want! I want to join now while there’s risk. I’ll help you raise the fund. And I’ll take the risk. Pay me half salary until the fund is closed. I’ll pay my own moving costs and if we don’t raise the fund you owe me nothing.”

I figured that the alternative was that I start my third company with no salary and all risk. I had nothing to lose!

And that’s exactly how I got into the VC world.  On half salary and my own moving expenses.  I didn’t negotiate hard on carried interest.  I figured I was new to VC and had much to prove.  And I knew that if I performed well I would have leverage to ask for what was fair down the line.  Basically my strategy was to prove myself before asking for equitable compensation.

And so it was.

If I was willing to take risks to get into VC and be confident in my own skills once on the inside, then how could I accept an associate who had no cojones?

And more to the point – how can I fund you if you have no real appetite for risk?

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  • "But to me if you’re not willing to quit and take a risk on yourself, then you’re not confident enough in your own idea and skills. Why should I be?"

    Great line, but I wouldn't even bother asking a VC for investment without positive traction and proof of growth. If I can't do that while I'm working a few hours a week to pay the mortgage/bills then I don't deserve to start a business.

    The reality of true feedback, trumps all the guesswork of "could be".
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  • Julian Barnes
    Mark - I just discovered your Blog today and I have read the first seven posts for What Makes An Entrepreneur and I love it!!! Is the Cojones post the last one? I couldn't find posts 8-11. Thanks.
  • readytojump
    Great post- gives me much to think about. I'm in exactly this situation - I've worked nights and weekends on my own business with a day job and a salary. We've (my partners and I) come really far and the plunge is right around the corner. This is my second start up so I've been there before and know what it's like to bootstrap.

    That said, now it's different with a young son. My wife is totally supportive (tolerant of risk and believes in the business) but she's a stay at home mom so we have no other income.

    So here's my question: assuming I go to investors AFTER quitting (that's the prerequisite, right?) is it appropriate/fair/legit to ask for a salary from investors? If so, what salary level is right? What about health care? Or AT LEAST health care?

    Grappling with this right now. Love to hear opinions....

    Thanks
  • The great enterprises of today are built on the foundations created from the vision, talent and drive of entrepreneurs.''The YES Movie'' by Louis Lautman
    www.TheYesmovie.com
  • moeinmpls
    Interesting... I actually had an upbringing that instilled entreprenuership by negitive association. I had a father who was a mainframe engineer for CDC and mother who worked for Norwest Bank. Both ended up as victims of company downsizing / M&A.

    Both suggested that I take the safe route and start my own business... go figure!
  • entrepreneurs def need cojones, no doubt about that. i think VCs need a lot more cajones too though, especially in our current environment, that is if they would like to get the IPO market back and the exit opptys that wall st affords.
  • The same concept of risk taking applies to all investors in stock market, forex, real estate and other investments.
    Once the money is sunk, there is a likelihood that we never see it again. On the other hand, there is a stronger likelihood of getting great returns.
  • mironlulic
    I met with Bart Greenberg for lunch a little while back to discuss my mobile tech startup and he actually said that he was advising people the opposite - that they try to retain their day job because the current economic situation was compounding risk. But hey, he's a lawyer so I suppose his advice will inherently be risk averse.

    Because of financial obligations to my family, I have had to retain my day job and plough ahead by bootstrapping and moonlighting. It's finally paying off. We've been seeing revenue growth between 40-60% every month for the last 6 months and have begun to attract interest from investors.

    I believe you're correct that entrepreneurs are by nature risk takers, but there are ways to mitigate risk in an early stage startup and still succeed - it doesn't have to be an all or nothing approach.
  • Batman
    I hate tuning in late.... Will have to goto the earlier parts to get caught up, and find out what I'm doing wrong :)
  • You are right and direct and perhaps a little harsh. The half salary move to get into GRP was a nice one. A little story along the same lines of your GRP gamble from my personal life...When I wanted to get into photography so I told WireImage (where I was an accountant at the time) "I don't want an end of year bonus, I want a camera and permission to go out a shoot it on nights and weekends". The camera was worth 1/3 of the bonus. After 3 years of monthly royalty checks (and still going), the camera has paid back 15 times the bonus that I forfeited to get it. No risk, no reward.
  • Nice story, Ryan. I obviously know that you are an entrepreneur that has risk tolerance and is "going for it."
  • I've known a few successful entrepreneurs that nurtured their start-up over a year or two while holding a day job; they managed the risk carefully so when they went to raise capital, they had a better story.

    There's so many variables. Me? I jumped off the cliff 3 months before the markets collapsed in 2008 in a part of Canada that has few investment channels. Still, we have revenues and I guess that's saying something.
  • I'm late to the party but this really struck a chord with me, particularly :

    "And we all know the fables about how people used to start businesses by taking a second mortgage on their home or by running up credit card debt"

    Although, its not a fable. For my first venture in 1990 I convinced my parents to mortgage their house to help me set it up. Yes, I paid them back. On this deal I quit a very high paying job and wrote the first check myself. Critical to be willing to take the leap. For the doubters, I've married with 3 kids so you can do it if you really want to.

    On the other hand, you're standards for interns/associates are surprising. The only way they have empathy is if they actually been an entrepreneur. Everything else is just a guess.

    Love the blog, keep it up!

    Best regards,
    John Prendergast
    CEO & Co-founder
    Value Media, Inc.
    Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnprendergast
    Twitter: @johnprendergast
  • Thanks, John. I guess I said "fable" because fewer people actually do it these days. Congrats on your successes. re: associate - the guy we eventually hired had been at a startup and did not have an MBA!
  • Roman Giverts
    One risk you didn't talk about was dropping out of school. I think NOT dropping out is the biggest mistake most college students make. This is the one time where you can live off your parents and you have no expenses and family commitments. You literally have nothing to lose.

    I think all of the top CS programs should force students to take a year off after their second or third year to start a company. It may sound a bit radical, but can you even imagine how many successful companies would come out of Stanford, Berkeley, CM, and MIT each year? It would be like Y-Combinator on steroids.
  • Shane
    I couldn't agree more. Giving students interested in pursuing entrepreneurial activities the sanctioned ability to take a sabbatical to pursue a business would be perhaps the greatest boon to their future success. Truthfully, it should also be an option for students pursuing entrepreneurship/business degrees as well. Even though most ventures would fail, the returning students would be so much better prepared to receive their education than they would have been if they would have pushed right through school.

    Spot on!
  • jdileo
    Mark: I think your post is right on.
    I am a 36 year old entrepreneur who has spent most of the last ten years founding and bootstrapping a business to 70+ employees/>$12M revenues. Our clients occupied the real estate and financial services space and I lost several million dollars (after tax dollars!) trying to save the company when the economy collapsed. I failed.
    I started poor, built wealth, and am poor again. It sucks, but it is what it is.
    6 months ago I moved my wife and 3 kids to silicon valley because I wanted to be at ground zero for start ups. I have no center of influence locally and am tirelessly working to find my next run.
    Again, your post was right on.....many thanks.







  • Wow. I'm really sorry to hear your story but let's hope it is the second act of many more to come. I have to admit I was in your shoes. Our company was doing $14 million in revenue but we were nervous about our long-term survival. We managed to put our footing right and the outcome turned out well for us. But it could have gone in the other direction. I wish you well.
  • jdileo
    thanks for the kind words. all will work out, winners always win at the end of the day.

    if you run across any portfolio companies that need a c-level driver keep me in mind :)
  • NicolasVDB
    Irv Grousbeck, in my opinion the best professor at Stanford Business School and himself a very successful entrepreneur, used to tell us that investors provide capital, founders provide management, and the two should not be mixed.

    I see no reason for the McKinsey guy to quit his job if he can do the necessary work to push along his start-up in parallel. He would be leaving money on the table un-necessarily.
    If he does jump you should question his judgment, not if he doesn't.
  • I respectfully disagree. He can moonlight for a period of time. I agree this can be healthy to balance financial needs. Beyond that it shows lack of conviction in his idea.
  • How are we defining risk here?

    My mom tends to think I'm a little crazier than average and tends to dislike what I am doing. She didn't like the college I went to, she doesn't like the degree I'm pursuing, she disliked the art I originally was doing, and doesn't understand why I suddenly switched the kind of art I am doing. (trust me, art degrees are risky, though oddly enough mine is going to be less so, though that was not planned out at all, I'm doing the degree I want because I like it, though I find most of the time that I want to scream at it because it is difficult, which is why I like it.)

    For my background I chose a sort of risky set of decisions with all of the above, and I happen to like them (to the extent I like them) I'm sort of happy suddenly sneaking into Comscore calls for data sure out that's life. I needed a very out of the way theory oriented program to do what I wanted to do. My school sends students to a limited set of schools for religious reasons - and I didn't go to one of those schools. I was really happy with the learning experience, but it was one of the most difficult of my life. (don't do something that culturally gapping if you don't like risk, or pushing yourself to more risk)

    One thing I noticed is that the more you do risky things and are somewhat happy with the results, and have learned something from the results the more people like you and want to learn from you. (remember beginner stages of all of this) I find this really curious- why is that?

    Also, why is it that once you find out what you like, even if it is risky (that would be chasing after Comscore calls for me right now and reading lots of charts), why is that you do more and more of it? Clearly some people have an appetitive for risk- but I keep think in the back of my mind "You know, someone should tell me at some point, you are taking on too much risk, go to bed, stop it, it's unhealthy" One of the interesting things about coming of age during the big crash- how is this all systemically related, and when is enough risk enough risk even for those who are ok with it and like it?

    Just a back of the head thought. I like to think I'm somewhat moral even if I like certain kinds of risks, but I don't want to hurt people in the process. Is that possible to do with risk in the mixture -hedge moral issues and minimize damage to people?
  • I don't know. I think there is a higher level of personal life impact / churn at startups and it always brushes up against moral issues. Example: you have 6 weeks' cash left in the bank. You think you can raise more money. A customer gives you an order and pays. Do you take his/her money? The startup world is always an ethical / moral maze and you have to do what you believe is ethically right.
  • I don't know either. The Pivot post and this post heighten to me how important it is to have a firm moral grounding. I'm an on again-off again yoga person. Balance was a weak point for me for a very long time, in some ways it still is. It took me a very long time to understand with my body that the trick to balance is a strong grounding that you can constantly make micromovements and microadjustements on as your body holds the pose.

    Because of the churn, you are going to have your own set of movements that are right for that startup and that person. How do you get the good ethical development before that so you can make those movements and not fall on your ass. (Yes, I believe amoral and immoral action will eventually come back to bite you badly)
  • your words are truly inspiring. don't ever stop writing. the time you take to share your experience is very much appreciated. thank you. :)
  • Thanks, Christine. And I look forward to 2010 where you finally drag my arse to China to start building some new experiences.
  • cesar_o_castro
    Mark - as I sit here in the first week of 2010 trying to balance little or no income vs. this company I'm trying to get off the ground, I can't tell you how great it was to read your full series on what it takes to be an entrepreneur. I'm down to my last 1-2 months of survival before I have to go back to the real word (if my startup doesn't hit certain milestones) and your posts gave me new energy to make this work!! Thanks for a great series of posts and I look forward to following your blog in the future.
  • Thanks, Cesar. Good luck with things.
  • I think most people perceive risk incorrectly. My father died at 48. He didn't take good care of himself (I try to) but his untimely death taught me a few things. In regards to risk it taught me that risk is not what we think it is. The only thing you can take with you when you go is a decaying corpse. Work backwards from that and all of a sudden working for stock or quitting a job seems trivial. Risk in this case is an excuse for trying to avoid the truth. The truth is usually about fear.

    I think what Mark calls cojones is as much (or possibly more) about passion and fear than it is about risk or perceived risk.

    The sad fact of life is that most people don't know what their passion is. However for those that do many choose to follow their passion (or calling) and it shows in what they do. I believe that what keeps the rest of people from following their passion is fear. Fear on many levels. Fear of success, fear of failure, fear of how others perceive them, etc.

    I'm not saying that everyone needs to start a company to follow their passion. We are full of passionate people at m-Via - it shows in our team meetings which can be fun to watch sometimes - who know why they want to be here.

    Cojones to me means saying "fuck you fear" and following your passion.
  • Great reminder. I left my comments directly on your blog --> http://billbar.posterous.com/thoughts-on-risk-p...
  • Ovi_Jacob
    Mark,
    First time commenter, regular reader. Great blog.
    I really appreciate the risk discussion, living it in fact. Immediately following an MBA, I joined a VC firm raising a new fund with no guarantee. I wanted to work in energy/environment investing. I told the partners that I would prove myself if given 2 months. Still in the raise, still at the firm.
    Rather than discussing risk and reward I like the word 'conviction'. If somebody doesn't have it, at the least in themselves, I am out. Passion is great. Cajones are better.
  • Thanks for leaving comments. Sounds like you and I have some similar experiences. And, yes, I do like your word conviction. Cojones is a better headline, though ;-)
  • Really glad to read that you practice what you preach.., Totally impressed with your story about how you joined GRP, thanks for sharing this with us. I'm not aware of any other VC taking such risks themselves!

    Now tell us Mark..., do you continue to take risks? Or has the VC suit confined you to playing safe?
    It's a rhetorical question as I already know the answer to this, but would really love to learn about any unorthodox or perhaps "risky" approaches to investing you take (as perceived by VC colleagues)?
    After all, you're still an Entrepreneur who now happens to be in the business of funding/growing companies.
  • The risks are different now for me. Quick ones:
    - I started a group called Launchpad LA (www.launchpad.la). Everybody was cynical at first and I had to put considerable personal credibility on the line to do it. If it flopped it was my personal brand / reputation. I saw this as a big risk. I think it's paid off.
    - I started doing early-stage investing than GRP had traditionally done and frankly filled a market gap in Southern California where only a handful of great seed funds exist. While I think I've gotten good attention for having done this - the jury is still out whether my strategy will be successful. There is reputation risk here.

    And I could go on. But the risks are different than an entrepreneur faces and I have the utmost respect, admiration (and often jealousy) for what true entrepreneurs are doing on a daily basis.
  • Well done on Launchpad. Well done on early-stage focus. You, Jason Nazaar and Jason Calacanis are doing great things down in SoCal!

    Both of your examples have elements of risk, both are long termers in regards to tangibles (The benefits may not be realised for some time). No doubt you have also hedged your bet by identifying some quick wins too. But the pay-off on these capital efficient early-stage investments and early-stage networking can be HUGE. Very few VCs are doing this- "too risky" they say, "too time/energy consuming" they say, "too long term" they say. They're missing opportunities and not building networks w/new Entrepreneurs for the sake of investing solely in growth stage, or names, or waiting for the innovative Entrepreneurs to come to them.

    I really don't understand the logic/arrogance of some VCs who think the innovative Entrepreneurs will seek them out solely because they have funds, and therefore they can avoid the chore of networking. Sure, they will be approached by hundreds/thousands of desperate founders seeking funding. However, the most innovative Entrepreneurs who desire VC funding will seek our VCs who are themselves Entrepreneurial by nature, and this includes VCs who network and reach out.

    You're one of the few VCs who reach out. I guess for many of the old-fart VCs; reaching out is risky. It makes one look desperate, unsophisticated or naive in their view (not mine of course). Their days are numbered. As Darwin said: "Species Change Or They Die!"..., Same for VCs.
  • jae@stiqr.com
    Mark, I think what you've done with the Launchpad is really great. Being in LA, you sometimes wish you had something like this and now that we have it, I'm sure it's going to help out a lot of entrepreneurs. I'm really glad someone in the VC has the real 'cajones' and I have a new utmost respect for you and your company.
  • "I figured that the alternative was that I start my third company with no salary and all risk." I guess being a top VP at Salesforce.com was small potatoes ;)
  • ;-) damn. I hate it when people know me too well. The truth is I had much anguish about leaving Salesforce.com because I hugely respect the company and had been promised a very attractive career progression. My biggest problem is that having been my own boss for nearly a decade I found it very hard to march to someone else's beat. I have to admit I still occasionally think about the amazing experiences I would have gained by staying. But ... no question I made the right decision.
  • Nice to have you back! I hope you enjoyed the end of year holidays!!

    I think this the HUGE differentiator between wannabes and the real thing. People like to talk about the thrill of starting a business but when is time to do it, they don't like the uncertainty of the future.

    I am going through it right now, and the unknown is scary but thrilling, after all that is why I quit my job at Lockheed, I did not like knowing my future career path and seeing it walking around me.
  • Thanks, Camilo. It was nice to have 10 days off the grid! Yes, I think risk appetite does separate the wheat from the chaff. As I always remind people - entrepreneurship is neither a guarantee for success nor a smooth ride for most so people need to check their conscious about whether they want to take the risks. For those that are made to do this leaving the big company is liberating. For others it is a disaster.

    I wish you well in your endeavors.
  • Thank you Mark, Same to you!
  • Another insightful post. Reading this made me step back and realize an inherit flaw in my current strategy for attaining VC financing: my existing business.
  • I don't know the circumstances but let me tell you that when somebody pitches me on their new business but has an existing one it certainly is a big red flag.
  • See this is a fact I was generally aware of, but only to a limited extent. I assumed that having a successful business in operation, complete with satisfied clients and a positive cashflow statement, would be an advantage. Seems that this is in fact a double edged sword.
  • dereklicciardi
    To me it would seem more important that you've participated in an exit for your existing business. Show the VC that you can run and grow a company to an exit. You're most of the way there already; now all you have to do is figure out how to get your exit to happen.
  • Since my current company runs a service based model my 'half ass' exit strategy was to scale back, put new growth on hold, and maintain the existing clients via part time commitment. While at the same time leveraging this company as a case study example to include with the pitch to VCs for my new business concept.

    Today, was an epiphany. I assume the Mr. Suster, and what you elude to Derek, is to find an exit that is profitable, ensures the clients are happy long term, and make sure it happens fast so that the next business concept can be manifested without any further delay.
  • Or find somebody to run your business and reduce your role to being purely a shareholder.
  • One of my close friends and colleagues, originally from Tunisia, loves to motivate people with a pep talk that goes like this: "You know how the Muslims conquered Spain? After they landed, their leader ordered them to burn their boats! They HAD to succeed and they DID succeed -- calling it quits halfway and going home wasn't an option!" Slightly extreme analogy but it gets the point across, whether it's launching a start-up or a new product at an established company.
  • That's war tactics. Chinese generals used to pick a battle ground with a wide river behind their back so the only way to survive was to win the battle.
  • Yes, I've heard this analogy used before. It's a fun story but I hope people don't go quite to these extremes these days!
  • dereklicciardi
    I certainly think you should take on risk as an entrepreneur. Absolutely. That said, if your idea requires a certain level of funding just to bring it to market and the one man shop can't bring the idea to fruition, then I think that's unnecessary risk. I think about all of the projects out there that need to be properly funded to have a chance at success in the market. Movies and video games come to mind. (yes I know that some of these can be bootstrapped; most aren't) These things have multi-year development timeframes of pure burn and no revenue so no matter how much you want to get it done, you're not going to be able to complete the job without a full team. I love the Ramen noodle startup as much as anyone else, but throwing my meager life savings and my marriage into a project that takes a couple orders of magnitude more money to complete is a waste of time and an ill-advised risk begging for a divorce.

    If your startup is something that you can do as a small team or for a small amount of money then go for it. Quit the job, leverage out your entire life savings and make it happen. For something like my project where I couldn't leverage even 5% of the required funds to get it up and running, you have no choice but to keep your day job while you raise money. As soon as we raise money though, I'm all in with whatever I can bring to the table. I only have one shot with my retirement money to get this right so before I push all in, I at least want to know that the odds are stacked in my favor to succeed. For a VC, if they lose a couple million, it's all part of the operation. For me, if I lose my retirement and my house, I'm in a multi year long stage of rebuilding my life. I've seen far too many cowboys with an underfunded video game / movie fail because of insufficient funds to get through the burn period.
  • Derek, I don't dispute what you say. My article tried to emphasize businesses that are not initially capital intensive. And I've tried to emphasize to people that I'm not looking for people to spend their retirement money to prove themselves. Just to show that their is some commitment on their part to the idea. There are many ways to show this. I'm not advocating sinking retirement money.
  • dereklicciardi
    Figured as much but it wasn't readily apparent in the post. I think there's a pile of interest in bootstrapable (is that a word?) companies right now and the mindset for getting those off the ground is exactly as you state. Rightfully so in my opinion if you buy into the JFDI mentality. Funny thing about your retirement comment is that as soon as it looks like I'll be able to capitalize our project properly, I wouldn't hesitate to throw everything I have at it. How does your post apply to capital intensive companies and evaluating the founders for those companies?
  • Spot on. Two thoughts:

    I think you’re on to something with your section about the friend who didn’t quit his job that you called bullshit on. As you said, the entrepreneur should be paranoid about missing the opportunity, being 2nd to market, etc. I think a real entrepreneur simply weights the risk of staying with their job as greater than the risk of starting a new company. They can see and measure the opportunity cost of staying where they are.

    That’s how it was for me at least, when I quit my job to start my company. It wasn’t about risk, it was just a calculation. Entrepreneurs can see and measure possibilities. It’s more about vision than appetite for risk, if you see the glorious future for your company, quitting your day job could be the least risky thing you ever do.

    Great intern story, you definitely did the right think on each step. But I think you missed the most interesting question of the story. When you presented him the no-guarentee offer, how long does he have to say yes/change his mind before the ship sails? Does your business require near-snap judgments that would suggest he needed to accept at some point in the conversation? Maybe you typically have time for reflection on serious decisions, giving him a night or week to think it over.

    Basically, what test is most indicative of your business success: an essay, the LSAT, or a gunfight?

    Though I don’t know the VC business, a few months would definitely be too long for me. In addition to the reasons you gave, by that time the calculus would have changed for him, he surely was pursuing other avenues which closed, making yours worth more. That being said there are also a lot of other important virtues, such as persistence. So I’m glad it worked out for him.
  • regarding the VC candidate: I have him 2 weeks to think about it. Beyond that something isn't right in my mind. But to be clear - he said, "no" to the offer.

    I don't know if it worked out for him, as you say, we haven't spoken since that final call. He's a smart guy and has great experience so I'll bet it all turned out just fine.
  • Ian
    Great article. One of the related aspects least talked about is the difference between entrepreneurs who come from a family culture of entrepreneurship and the true self-starters. Furthermore you can differentiate between the true risk takers who operate without a safety net and those who have family money andéor trust funds that they can fall back on.
  • Just so you know, coming from a family where there is a long history of entrepreneurs in a variety of fields (my middle name is one of them...shamtta business, which is how she met her husband...really interesting story that one...) a family business and a family culture of entrepneurs is often very complicated because of the familial histories involved. My father's side is very supportive of people starting and running businsesses, but it would be a terrible idea for them to do it together from what it looks like of how they work together. (They fought a lot later in the family businesses and it causes some of them to dissolve) One thing I keep thinking about in my own family history is what I learned from my own family history is what is a good conflict and what is a bad conflict when it comes to a business and a family- since some of those conflicts about business actually caused family members to stop talking to each other for over a generation or more. (And that is not worth it) OTOH, productive conflicts will lead to better stuff happening in the business.

    It's careful water to tread when you talk about family histories. And sensitive water. Just saying.
  • Ian
    Thats a great point, I will consider myself lucky to be a lone entrepreneur within my immediate family tree!!!
  • If I start my own business one day doing something I will be either the 5th or 6th generation on my father's side through both his mother and his father I believe starting a business or being involved in an entrepreneurial activity in the US. At one point there was a family business through my fathers line. My father has some interesting stories. Both sides are populated heavily with entrepreneurs, though not exclusively so.(though even then, if I did family tree tracing there still seems to be risk oriented professions, or professions where something wierd is happening and the person is doing something risky in it).

    Let me tell you about these things, it doesn't help when you're middle name is some woman who got a degree in the late 1920s/early 1930s in zoology, owned her own fine dressmaking business during the depression, was introduced to her husband by the Duponts (he was the bootlegger, she was the dressmaker, they were both the most Jewish people they knew the same age), she ended up somehow owning a racehorse and doing daytrading in the 70s before it got cool. While doing her own baking. Now imagine being told that was one of the people you were named after- I really in some ways don't like it, and in some ways I realize I have to beat that. As well as spin it in my own way. And in some ways reject it. I'm never going to be my great aunt, it's impossible. I'm not her by definition.

    It's an interesting experience to have these sorts of people in your family tree, you never know what to expect next.
  • Yeah, it's true that there are differences that need to be understood. Quick story: I backed a very young entrepreneur (23) who comes from plenty of money and could have gone into his family business. He had several offers to join big companies. But he wanted to prove that he was his own man and wasn't worried about the reputational necessities of working for a known company. He's already on his second company. For me the most important thing is evaluating the individual and his/her characteristics whether they're old/young, male/female, rich/poor. Success can come in all flavors.
  • Ian
    I guess my point was more about support networks and how they help mitigate the risks of entrepreneurship, but I guess there is a flipside where having family "support" or a large inheritance could actually increase the risk associated with a venture as you could both have family interference and/or suffer a much greater loss than if you start from a fresh slate and empty bank account. So ultimately all entrepreneurs have to take risks to achieve success. I guess the nature of the risks and rewards is pretty variable which is what makes being an entrepreneur so exciting!!
  • laurenporat
    Mark,
    I see entrepreneurial risk slightly differently. I think if your idea is so powerful, so scalable, and so perfectly suited for you, then taking the leap, quitting the day job, bootstrapping etc. does not feel like risk at all -- it just feels like the natural choice. And totally agree with Andy's comments above on the experiential benefits -- nothin' beats it.
  • You may be right. But the reality is that I still meet a lot of people that don't take the leap and it's definitely a red flag for almost all investors.
  • Wonder what the Stanford person's alternative to your internship offer was ... because most students I know would take an internship with a VC firm (whether or not it was promised to lead to full time employment) if offered in a heartbeat.
  • He actually didn't have a solid job offer elsewhere to the best of my knowledge. It was in the midst of the financial crisis. I eventually posted it on a very few number of databases and received more than 1,000 resumes. Many had (way) better academic records than I ... it was quite humbling!
  • People develop in their own time and way (I already know I am turning into one of those stories, I was talking with my advisor on my "exit" about this). It's fairly common too. A lot of people shove their lives into academics rather than questions about who they are and what they want. Mark, something I learned along the way from one of my ex-Resident Head at the U of C, academics aren't everything, partiucarly undergraduate academics. He was once telling me about some of the people in his md-phd programs who essentially did not do well at all through college, went back to night school and took whatever the exam is to get into an md-phd program, and were at the time kicking his ass. And my ex-RH is extremely smart: He's now doing a year long research program thing at the NIH. Best advice I've gotten about this: Look at the total picture and how the person is developing, if you can develop the person, if that person can help develop you, if the business will develop because both of you are developing positively, and if you can stand the person on a 7 hour flight.
  • jae@stiqr.com
    insightful post, next time i pitch will be about how much COJONES i have, i hope your ready to hear it. =)
  • ha. I don't need bull sized cojones - just to know that the people I meet with have the confidence enough in what they're doing to do it full time
  • Mark, clearly the title for this post should have been "Cojones"
    Please don't pass on such golden chances to use the word "Cojones" legitimately in H1 font
    I beg you.
  • Excellent. You're right. I'm changing it ;-)
  • Cool post 7/11! If you’re idea is so amazing... , Could you correct this to Your Idea instead of You're Idea or You are idea @msuster Thx
  • done. thanks for spotting the typo.
  • bookluver321
    Starting up my own thing has been the coolest thing... I love my job. However after reading "Built To Sell" a great book that I had the honor of previewing before it's February release date, and authored by John Warrillow, the risk became all too real. Don't get me wrong I am not thinking that being an entrepreneur is the wrong thing for me... I simply am just more aware of how important it is for me to maintain a business that will actually be worth something...The book’s website has a tool called “The Sellability Index” where business owners can take a 10 question survey to see if they have a sellable business and if so, how much money they could get for it. This is something that every entrepreneur should check out.

    http://www.builttosell.com/
  • Roman Giverts
    Mark,
    I think you've gone a little too far to the other side of the table on this one. Comparing the risk an angel or VC takes to the risk an entrepreneur takes quitting his job is ludicrous. If the entrepreneur burns through his savings and fails, he and his family will suffer dearly. He may lose his house, get into lasting debt, give up promises to his wife & family, etc etc. If an angel loses a few hundred grand or an LP loses a few tens of millions, no one suffers. If an LP or angel put their entire net worth behind one investment, that would be a comparable. But they/you don't, so the comparison is weak and slightly offensive.

    Regarding the recruiting story, as someone probably in the same age group as that MBA from Stanford, I can definitively tell you that that guy is a complete idiot. Exactly the type of bullshit entitlement that I would expect out of an MBA. What are you guys thinking hiring MBA's anyway! You might consider looking at the undergrad engineering schools at Stanford and Berkeley... there are a lot of really smart kids who would rather not program and are really in tune with the start up scene.
  • Shane
    Roman, I would have to agree with you here to a certain extent.

    The reality is that there are a lot of factors that go into building a business, and a lot of things have to come together to make it right, including a number of factors that are not necessarily within your control. An entrepreneur betting the farm sounds great when it works, but there is a difference between having an apetite for risk and being completely insane.

    I must say, now is the best time to be a young entrepreneur with a low risk profile (aka no wife, kids, or mortgage). For me, at least in the company I am currently involved in, we are "too small to fail" (via Howard Lindzon). We can change directions rapidly, and pursue different strategies without losing much sleep at night.
  • Just to be clear - I never suggested that entrepreneurs should "bet the ranch" - just that they should accept some risk.
  • before betting on the farm there is sucking every free moment on nights/weekends, use savings, work part-time. Than you can always bet on your Farmville farm.
  • Roman Giverts
    Well said, I think what's most infuriating to me is the people who talk about starting companies, but don't even work nights and weekends. If you can't even make that sacrifice, give up now...
  • 2 quick thoughts:

    1. I'm not looking for symmetrical risk. In the 60's / 70's they wanted you to put half your net worth at risk. I'll I'm asking is that you have enough confidence in what you're doing to quit your day job before you pitch me. Hardly offensive and the truth is ... I did it myself. So my advice eminates from this experience. After I quit Accenture and jumped off the cliff many people who were on the ledge with me never jumped. And years later they were still talking about doing startups.

    2. We eventually did hire the guy and ... he didn't have an MBA ;-) http://www.grpvc.com/team/dave-lin/
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