What Can You Learn from the 4-Hour Workweek?

the-4-hour-workweekA couple of years ago I read the popular book, “The Four Hour Workweek” by Tim Ferriss.  It was recommended to me by my friend, Net Jacobsson, who was trying to do some basic Life Hacking.  If you’re not familiar with the term it’s basically trying to help all of us who are deluged with technology to find ways to cope with the masses of information without having it ruin our lives.

Let me start by saying I’m a huge business book cynic.  I think too many books are written by charlatans and have too much management jargon / double speak that I can’t stand.  So I don’t read too many of them.  You can imagine my reluctance to read a book with a title full of such bluster.  But Net had told me that he picked up some valuable lessons from the book, so I thought, “WTF? Can’t hurt.”

I’m sure many people have many take-aways (positive and negative) from the book.  But on balance for me the positive messages far outweighed the negative ones.  I didn’t go back and re-read the book or double check my exact language but the thoughts below are directionally correct (the fact that I remember anything a few years later from a business book is already a huge positive sign).

My 2 biggest positives:

1. The Deferred Life (DL) Plan - This point alone makes the book worth reading.   The concept is that in the “information era” the overwhelming majority of employees in the world have meaningless jobs pushing papers from one side of their desk to the other side from 9am to 5pm and really don’t have much of an impact on anything.  The problem is that most people in this situation know they are stuck in the position and never try to change or to do anything about it.

In America being in this type of job means that you get 2 (maybe 3) weeks of vacation per year.  So people diligently put in their hours every year, brag about how little vacation they’ve taken and try to save up for 45 years so that one day in their late 60′s (or in today’s era 70′s) they can do what they’ve always dreamed of.  They can travel the world, take classes in interesting subjects, spend time with loved ones or start new hobbies.  Of course when they get there those individuals are no longer young and after years of mental and physical atrophy they lack the ambitions to get these things done.

Tim Ferriss’ assertion is that you should try to pursue an entrepreneurial job where you can take control of your life and your hours.  You should make a list of the ambitions that you have in life and accomplish many of those things now.  Want to spend a year or more in Argentina?  Andrew Warner from Mixergy is doing it.  He’s not on the Deferred Life plan.

With the exception of rare circumstances most people could do this if they chose to.  I’m not saying there would be zero sacrifice but if it’s your dream what are you waiting for?  Want to take a year pursuing your dream to write a screenplay, travel through Asia, run a triathlon or start your own fashion line?  If not now, then when?

Of course the 4-hour work week and DL plan is a gross over generalization and meant to be shocking.  So in that context let me use it.  I often encourage people to pursue their entrepreneurial dreams.  I wrote a blog post related to this called Is it Time to Earn or to Learn? If you don’t have entrepreneurial dreams no problem.  But if you do and if you sit on the sidelines waiting for the day when the circumstances are right for you to start a company you never will.  You’re on the DS (deferred startup) plan.

How I Avoided the Deferred Life Plan – And Why it Means So Much to Me

I worked for a large multinational for nearly a decade.  I learned much and had great experiences.  I used it as my “live now” vehicle.  After 3.5 years in LA (early 90′s) many of my friends left to start companies in Silicon Valley.  We were high tech at the very start of the boom.  I chose a different path.  I pushed for Accenture to transfer me to Europe.

It took more than a year to make this happen (I’ll cover how I did this in a different post) but January 2nd, 1995 I flew to France for 2 years and didn’t move back to the US for 11 years.  During this period of time I found ways to get my firm to staff me in Italy, France, Hungary, Switzerland, Belgium, Spain and the UK.  I got my firm to pay for 50% of my MBA and I did the international program at the University of Chicago.  Our European campus was in Barcelona where I rented a villa with 5 buddies.  I spent 8 weeks there per year as well as time in Chicago.  I did all of this while I had an income.

In early 1999 I made the decision to fulfill my lifelong dream to live and work in Japan.  I will also cover how I accomplished this in a separate post but in early 1999 I arrived in Tokyo for the first time.  I spent 6 months there (actually, I commuted between London and Tokyo 6 times in those 6 months).  I ran a team of 14 people (12 Japanese, 1 German and 1 Turk … both of whom were fluent in Japanese) who produced an Internet strategy for the board of Sony.  I got to experience much of the local culture and customs.  It was not a touristy experience.

My big push to avoid the Deferred Life plan came from a bad experience at my first employer.  My first corporate job was at First Interstate Bank where I worked in Corporate Finance.  My boss and my boss’s boss made me all sorts of promises about how quickly I’d be promoted.  I’m sure they meant it.  I worked late hours but didn’t care because I was young.  But I was a bit depressed to see my boss’s boss there late every night.  He had 2 kids and seemed to stay late for mostly political reasons (or maybe he enjoyed it more than he enjoyed being home?).  His boss worked too much too.  We all did until the S&L crisis hit and I was laid off.  So was my boss.  And my boss’s boss.   And his boss.  And his boss.  Our bank was gutted.

I was 22 and unemployed.  It was the best thing that ever happened to me.  I had a nice severance check and secured a job with Andersen Consulting very quickly.  And it taught me at 22 to be my own man.  Large corporations can be soulless.  They are necessary and do much good but they do what they have to to evolve and survive.   You may be a ‘favored child’ now but when circumstances change radically, business is business.  And while I bounced back very easily, many of the bank elders did not.

I swore never to let that happen to me.  A rolling stone gathers no moss.  I wanted to be that guy who was always morphing.  Always developing.  Seeing new places, learning new things.  Always on take off, never at cruising altitude.  Not on the deferred life plan.  And so it was that I pushed to get jobs in LA, Miami, Rome, Barcelona, the South of France, London and Tokyo.

2. Getting Your Work Schedule on Your Terms – Many people in America sit at their desk much of the day and have email open.  When a new email comes in you see the little pop-up in the bottom right-hand corner of your screen and like Pavlov’s dog you feel an adrenaline rush and need to read that email.

We have become a reactive society where we feel beholden to those that want to contact us.  We owe them all something.  I am like this, too.  I feel guilt and stress when I don’t respond to people that reach out to me.  And from email we added IM, Facebook and LinkedIn where people contact us.  And, of course, now Twitter.

The 4 Hour Workweek sets out an extreme view of email and similar communications but it is directionally correct.  He says not to leave your email box opened all day and I totally agree with this one.  If you sit on your email all day you’re reacting to somebody else’s input rather than proactively getting your work done.  Tim recommends that you check email initially twice / day – at 11am and at the end of the day (if I remember correctly).  He doesn’t think you should check email first thing in the morning because you should start your day by getting the stuff done that is on YOUR important list, not somebody else’s.  He then goes on to recommend that you do email just once / week.  Yeah, right!

I wish I were good in the email category.  I feel the need to check first thing in the morning.  But then I tend to stay off email throughout the day as much as possible.  I check it when I’m between meetings or when I out and about because I can quickly read it on my Blackberry.  I try to do email at the end of each day but with so many evening obligations I find this hard.  Obviously if you’re in a customer support role, a sales role or a customer service industry this can be impossible.

Where I’m more disciplined is on Twitter.  I don’t leave Tweetdeck or Seesmic apps open during the day.  These are great products but if you have them open all day and see the pop ups telling you, “You’ve Got Tweets,” then you’re sucked in.  So my Twitter pattern is to check in the AM, check between meetings for 5 minutes max and check in the PM.  And, of course, I check incessantly when I travel, am waiting for a meeting or am sitting in a conference.  Blackberry satisfies this addiction.

My 2 biggest negatives about the book:

1. Not everybody is geared up to be an entrepreneur – Tim Ferriss is obviously a very talented individual.  I believe that he takes for granted that everybody can start their own company and run it a few hours / week and earn a decent living.  I think the overwhelming majority of people would not be good at running their own small businesses (but that doesn’t mean they need to work in mindless jobs or be on the Deferred Life plan).

When I counsel people on whether they should make the leap to running their own company I always give the honest truth that being an entrepreneur is hard, stressful, time consuming and a low-probability of making millions.  It’s not for most.  But if the person that I’m talking with seems unphased by this and has the passion to try then I become unbearable in preaching from my soap box how they should stop sitting on the sidelines.  I just don’t believe in coaxing somebody who may not have the right constitution or economic circumstance.   To me the book glossed over this.  You should buy it and read it anyways.

2. Four hours is unrealistic – OK, so if he called the book the 34-hour workweek I guess he wouldn’t have sold too many copies.  I guess the 70-Hour Workweek defeats the point of the book.  Let me assume that Tim Ferriss really only works 4 hours / week.  Then he’s the only person not born into wealth or not in semi-retirement that I believe can do this.  It’s just not realistic.  I believe you can choose not to over work, but 4 hours?  Meh.

My advice.  Whatever you decide to do about your career, find the little things to take you off the DL list.  If you always planned to study a second language – START!  If you have kids make sure you find ways to occasionally drive them to school or turn up at their school events.  Find a way to schedule meetings on Fridays out of town so you can merge work meetings and family adventure.

If you’ve always wanted to travel find a way to make this happen through your work or find work that will enable this.   When I went it was at the end of the last big recession.  I worked long and hard to make it happen.  You CAN do it.  It may not be your exact plan.  Mine was to live in Spain but I could only make France happen.  Close enough.  If you wait for the “perfect time” you’ll never go.  Trust me.

Next post: two “4-Hour Workweek” like hacks I started in 2009 to try and take back control of my life that are saving me hours.

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  • http://openswipe.com/ Casey Allen

    Looking forward to the summary of your experiments, Mark. It's always nice to be able to compare notes with someone else. I hope you start a trend.

    The book lends itself to anyone…but it lends itself much better to someone juggling a ridiculous amount. Not that entrepreneurs have much time to read, but I'd say that in the early days, every startup CEO should read this. Preferably, long, long before launch.

    Just imagine, Mark, if you had this book back during your startup days. Heck, you could've started three companies at once.

  • http://bradleyjoyce.com bradleyjoyce

    After seeing Tim speak at RailsConf, it really turned me off to him (he basically rambled about nothing for an hour) and I ended up never reading the book. However, others I know have read the book and came away with the same basic messages Mark has laid out.

    After interning at Boeing for 3 years during summer breaks from school, I decided I didn't want to end up like all my co-workers and bailed… now living the dream on my terms!!

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Thanks. Sounds like you already have a good work / life balance. Congrats.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Thanks, Paddu. There are a number of other good ideas in the book so still probably worth reading. Great analogy with the 30-day weight loss.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Ha. The book did make me think a lot about having “side” businesses. Maybe some day.

  • sikakkar

    Hey Mark, great insight. While I agree with most of the points you made, I really take issue with the minimalist approach to e-mail. One of the most useful things I learned from my previous employer (a large corporation) is in the value of constant communication.

    Doing work based on consensus rather than unilateral activity, and constantly discussing your work with others is incredibly valuable in making you more efficient in your own work and ensuring you're not doing the wrong thing. Because of my experience there I really value the collective intelligence of a smart group.

    This doesn't mean that I was looking at a blackberry in the middle of the night or anything – in fact I refused to check my email when I wasn't specifically spending time doing “work,” but when I was, you bet I was looking at my email every ten minutes.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Hate to say it but I have a good friend at Boeing. I hope he's not reading this (or maybe he should?) but I want him to bail out. He's been there for years. His boss is so old school. He's commuting more than 1 hour each way because they won't allow remote working. It's a great company but as some point you gotta fly the coop. Sounds like you got out early.

  • http://www.theprivateequiteer.com/ The Private Equiteer

    No, not at all Mark; it was a blanket statement. Your post was definitely more complimentary than anything else. It chronicled how many of us were introduced to Tim: read book title, roll eyes, give him a chance, suddenly impressed.

  • Janet Bowman

    Uh, just wondering, Justyn…do you happen to have a family that you might want to devote a couple of hours a week to?

  • http://twitter.com/benbusse ben busse

    Great post Mark. I just skimmed the updated edition of Tim's book a few weeks back and found it pretty insightful. For those who haven't read it yet, take the title of the book with a grain of salt…it's meant to be provocative and help sell millions of copies (Tim is certainly skilled at self-promotion). “Join the new rich” tagline on the cover is classic…you know Tim did some A/B testing on that one.

    One key takeaway is learning to eliminate things that just don't matter (and “outsource” low value tasks) while focusing on the small percentage of things that matter a lot. This theme is obviously not new, but Tim does a great job applying it to the practical issues of making a living and, more importantly, making the most out of your limited time on earth.

    There's merit to minimalism, in the sense of saying no to things that don't matter. Take possessions for example. I went surfing this summer in South America for 3 months and lived out of a backpack on $20/day. One of the best things I've ever done. I got home and realized I don't need 80% of the crap I own…and I didn't own much before the trip. Ditching all the junk you don't really use is a great feeling.

    Keep up the great work! Love the blog.

  • http://twitter.com/Justyn Justyn Howard

    Janet – As you can tell from my comments, I'm still young and without many family comittments :) However I wouldn't be surprised if my girlfriend paid you to say that! Ha. Kidding of course, but there is some semblance of balance in my routine.

  • http://twitter.com/Justyn Justyn Howard

    We may be fooling ourselves, but many of us convince ourselves we're kicking ass now so we can have more of the other pleasures in a few years (but still many years ahead of retirement age). I think in practice that time often never comes. Something we (I) need to stay conscious of for sure. It's just so damn fun right now!

    Another reason Tim's ideas of weaving vacation into your routine more is something to shoot for.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Thanks, Ben. I'm a big believer in two things you mention:
    1. Minimalism (however that applies to each person's life)
    2. Cutting out low value tasks. Here I sometimes fall short.

  • Aviah Laor

    Absolutely. Where there is a choice, there is uncertainty, and thus by definition risk. Regarding the web, new tools significantly shorten time to market, lowering the risk, so it's possible to try. However, on the other side of the “entrepreneurship pitching”, how much does the funding industry is open to new comers? first timers? people who start-up for the first time after 35 (or god forbid 40)? people coming from other domains, without prior network to VCs/tech angles? That is still in doubt.

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  • http://10pens.com sikakkar

    Hey Mark, great insight. While I agree with most of the points you made, I really take issue with the minimalist approach to e-mail. One of the most useful things I learned from my previous employer (a large corporation) is in the value of constant communication.

    Doing work based on consensus rather than unilateral activity, and constantly discussing your work with others is incredibly valuable in making you more efficient in your own work and ensuring you're not doing the wrong thing. Because of my experience there I really value the collective intelligence of a smart group.

    This doesn't mean that I was looking at a blackberry in the middle of the night or anything – in fact I refused to check my email when I wasn't specifically spending time doing “work,” but when I was, you bet I was looking at my email every ten minutes.

  • dillon5

    I think the best message from the book and from your comments is not to put life on hold. I have worked at corporations where there were two camps in cubeville – lifers and passing through. The thought of having to wait 30 plus years to pursue my dream of starting a business was inconceivable. You made a good point, not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur and it is not glamorous with VC's knocking at your door.

  • dillon5

    The best message from the book and your post is to not put life on hold. I have worked for large corporations and there were always two groups in cubeville – lifers and passing through. The though of waiting 30 plus years to pursue my goal of starting a business, learning new subjects and exploring new places was inconceivable.

  • http://mixergy.com Andrew Warner

    My biggest worry about coming to Buenos Aires is that I'd be disconnected from the world, but I'm finding that I'm getting so much more done here in Argentina than I got in the US because all the distractions are gone.

    Plus its fun. Simple trips to the supermarket or rides on the subway are new experiences.

  • http://bradleyjoyce.com bradleyjoyce

    I just spent close to 3 months working from Peru… it was amazing! Since everyone in my company works remotely anyway it wasn't really any different than being in the States.

  • Tereza

    Mark thanks for saving me the time reading it.

    Definitely not everyone's dream needs to be a startup; could be birdwatching or whatever. The point is don't defer it. You may get hit by the bus waiting for the perfect time.

    As a working mom I'd say that every minute away from my kids better be worth it. That's my litmus test. So either it's something that's kick ass in its own right and consuming (another “baby”)….OR something that's only OK in interest level, but allows me to add value to the biz and keep my skills up while paying what I need, with the flexibility to nurture my kids.

    I prefer the former, but if it is absent, will accept the latter.

    Tania and I actually had a good convo on this the other day.

  • http://twitter.com/PhilipHotchkiss Philip Hotchkiss

    I love the top level message. But when I started reading the book (and I am a 2x startup entrepreneur) I actually had a visceral, anxiety producing reaction because I know what it takes to build a real business, and like Mark, I also know that most people aren't wired to be entrepreneurs. Add the 4-hour a week nonsense to the mix, and I set the book down a 1/3 of the way through.

    With all of that said, I appreciate this post because people need to be reminded that a life deferred often ends in a sad epitaph.

  • http://www.twitter.com/pearsonify Adam Pearson

    Great post Mark! I was one of those people who didn't read the book when it was released because a) I was turned off by the title, and b) I didn't want to be seduced by all the hype and attention. Meanwhile, I preach things like time and location independence and other themes from the book, so I may have to give it a chance after all and see what tips I can glean and develop an opinion on it. Thanks for writing on this topic and sharing your experiences and impressions from the book. A lot of what you said resonates with me personally.

    Regards,
    Adam

  • http://research2zero.com/ Benjamin Stein

    Mark,

    I was actually fired, also at age 22, from my first job as a fund accountant at the end of 2008. It was the happiest day of my life as well. I hated the job and made a complete departure from the corporate world. It took me two months but I eventually found a very low paying job at a start up. I didn't care about the pay because I was actually making an impact.

    After about 7 months I got on the DJ (deferred job) plan and drove across the country from Boston to San Diego for 3 weeks this past November. My boss was pissed and didn't guarantee me my job when I got back. I knew if I didn't go then I would be a slave to the job so the decision was easy.

    The decision was even easier to make because I had another job lined up at another start up with a better group of people. I really enjoyed relating to your first job experience. I actually turned 24 today and I've been in start up land for just over a year now, still trying to get some traction. Wish me luck.

    Best,

    Benjamin Stein

    Research 2.0

  • jimfmunro

    Another argument against the deferred life plan was spelled out pretty clearly by Tim referring to a friend who got cancer at a very young age — there's no guarantee you'll even exist long enough to get to live the years you've “earned”. That was incentive enough for me.

    Agreed that the book seems to gloss over how much hard work it is to get to the point of four hours a week. But overall this book can be inspiring, if used wisely. :)

    It seems like the four hour part of the title maybe isn't how much you work a week, but is the time you should limit yourself to doing the non-fun parts of your consciously chosen career, answer email, calls, meetings — work. Still working on getting there.

  • Asta Ratliff

    Mark, thank you for this great overview. I have not read the book but I sure have heard about it. And now after reading you point of view about this, I am very curious to actually read it for myself. Thanks for sharing your life experiences. I agree about importance of the DL – life is short and there always will be stuff to do, chores to finish and errands to run. If we really want to do something, we should definitely do it now.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Unfortunately, Aviah, the venture industry is not open enough to people with non-traditional backgrounds, experiences or ages. I don't necessarily see this changing as an industry.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I believe in consensus building. At Accenture one of the most valuable tools they used when we were young programmers were “point sheets.” They taught us to write down questions when they came up and batch them together in point sheets. The logic was 1) you don't ruin the productivity of your supervisor or teammates and 2) questions have a way of sorting themselves out when you wait.

    I personally believe that in the interconnected, always on world that is 2010 people emphasize communicating too frequently over the productivity of others.

  • Aviah Laor

    Absolutely. Where there is a choice, there is uncertainty, and thus by definition risk. Regarding the web, new tools significantly shorten time to market, lowering the risk, so it's possible to try. However, on the other side of the “entrepreneurship pitching”, how much does the funding industry is open to new comers? first timers? people who start-up for the first time after 35 (or god forbid 40)? people coming from other domains, without prior network to VCs/tech angles? That is still in doubt.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I think 100 years ago the opportunities were more difficult to escape the corporate ladder. Today it's the norm. It's great to get trained but for many they stay too long. Yes, that is the most important take-away for me. Live your life now.

  • dillon5

    I think the best message from the book and from your comments is not to put life on hold. I have worked at corporations where there were two camps in cubeville – lifers and passing through. The thought of having to wait 30 plus years to pursue my dream of starting a business was inconceivable. You made a good point, not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur and it is not glamorous with VC's knocking at your door.

  • dillon5

    The best message from the book and your post is to not put life on hold. I have worked for large corporations and there were always two groups in cubeville – lifers and passing through. The though of waiting 30 plus years to pursue my goal of starting a business, learning new subjects and exploring new places was inconceivable.

  • http://mixergy.com Andrew Warner

    My biggest worry about coming to Buenos Aires is that I'd be disconnected from the world, but I'm finding that I'm getting so much more done here in Argentina than I got in the US because all the distractions are gone.

    Plus its fun. Simple trips to the supermarket or rides on the subway are new experiences.

  • http://bradleyjoyce.com bradleyjoyce

    I just spent close to 3 months working from Peru… it was amazing! Since everyone in my company works remotely anyway it wasn't really any different than being in the States.

  • http://terezan.tumblr.com/ Tereza

    Mark thanks for saving me the time reading it.

    Definitely not everyone's dream needs to be a startup; could be birdwatching or whatever. The point is don't defer it. You may get hit by the bus waiting for the perfect time.

    As a working mom I'd say that every minute away from my kids better be worth it. That's my litmus test. So either it's something that's kick ass in its own right and consuming (another “baby”)….OR something that's only OK in interest level, but allows me to add value to the biz and keep my skills up while paying what I need, with the flexibility to nurture my kids.

    I prefer the former, but if it is absent, will accept the latter.

    Tania and I actually had a good convo on this the other day.

  • http://twitter.com/PhilipHotchkiss Philip Hotchkiss

    I love the top level message. But when I started reading the book (and I am a 2x startup entrepreneur) I actually had a visceral, anxiety producing reaction because I know what it takes to build a real business, and like Mark, I also know that most people aren't wired to be entrepreneurs. Add the 4-hour a week nonsense to the mix, and I set the book down a 1/3 of the way through.

    With all of that said, I appreciate this post because people need to be reminded that a life deferred often ends in a sad epitaph.

  • http://www.twitter.com/pearsonify Adam Pearson

    Great post Mark! I was one of those people who didn't read the book when it was released because a) I was turned off by the title, and b) I didn't want to be seduced by all the hype and attention. Meanwhile, I preach things like time and location independence and other themes from the book, so I may have to give it a chance after all and see what tips I can glean and develop an opinion on it. Thanks for writing on this topic and sharing your experiences and impressions from the book. A lot of what you said resonates with me personally.

    Regards,
    Adam

  • http://research2zero.com/ Benjamin Stein

    Mark,

    I was actually fired, also at age 22, from my first job as a fund accountant at the end of 2008. It was the happiest day of my life as well. I hated the job and made a complete departure from the corporate world. It took me two months but I eventually found a very low paying job at a start up. I didn't care about the pay because I was actually making an impact.

    After about 7 months I got on the DJ (deferred job) plan and drove across the country from Boston to San Diego for 3 weeks this past November. My boss was pissed and didn't guarantee me my job when I got back. I knew if I didn't go then I would be a slave to the job so the decision was easy.

    The decision was even easier to make because I had another job lined up at another start up with a better group of people. I really enjoyed relating to your first job experience. I actually turned 24 today and I've been in start up land for just over a year now, still trying to get some traction. Wish me luck.

    Best,

    Benjamin Stein

    Research 2.0

  • jimfmunro

    Another argument against the deferred life plan was spelled out pretty clearly by Tim referring to a friend who got cancer at a very young age — there's no guarantee you'll even exist long enough to get to live the years you've “earned”. That was incentive enough for me.

    Agreed that the book seems to gloss over how much hard work it is to get to the point of four hours a week. But overall this book can be inspiring, if used wisely. :)

    It seems like the four hour part of the title maybe isn't how much you work a week, but is the time you should limit yourself to doing the non-fun parts of your consciously chosen career, answer email, calls, meetings — work. Still working on getting there.

  • http://twitter.com/catchfriday catchfriday

    I learnt how to set up a call center in the Philippines, notably CatchFriday that would rival Getfriday and Asksunday. I also learned how to write a book, a best seller at that.

  • Asta Ratliff

    Mark, thank you for this great overview. I have not read the book but I sure have heard about it. And now after reading you point of view about this, I am very curious to actually read it for myself. Thanks for sharing your life experiences. I agree about importance of the DL – life is short and there always will be stuff to do, chores to finish and errands to run. If we really want to do something, we should definitely do it now.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    re: trips to the supermarket. That is the bliss that is accepting living outside of your normal life's routines. It's the small things – the journey, not the destination (to borrow from Coelho's “The Alchemist”). I remember my first supermarket experience in France. The foods were different, the experience was different. Lunch where it was assumed that I would have a glass of wine. I remember my first meeting in Italy where we showed up but everybody was at the cafe next door having THREE! espresso's with tons of sugar and starting the meeting 1 hour late because … there was no because. I remember my first karaoke night in Tokyo, my first rugby match in England and on and on. That's why Tim Ferriss's book resonated so much with me and why I was so pleased for you that you moved to Argentina. It's not living on the DL plan.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Yes, as I'm sure Tania must have mentioned we are big believers in “Carpe Diem” in the Suster household. That, and not letting the little things get to you. One of my favorite clips from childhood that we often cite is “It just doesn't matter,” which is already planned as a future post. But the clip is a much watch (if and only if you saw this as a child ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3S_k1dRbXY

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    thanks for the feedback. Luckily I read the book before it was a hit and on the personal recommendation from Net so I powered through it. Otherwise I would never have bought it. It was worthwhile if you can bight your lips during the more blustery bits.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Good luck! Yes, I was laid off from my first job at your age, too. I took away more positives than negatives from the experience.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I have a very personal family situation in this category and it makes me all the sadder because you can't implore people to Carpe Diem. They either choose to or choose not to. My mom always did and I think that rubbed off on me.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Worth reading. Just don't be surprised if some bits frustrate you. But the overall take away I feel will be worth it. I hope so. Enjoy.

  • http://twitter.com/Net Net Jacobsson

    Mark, guess my surprise when checking out your blog today – thanks for the mention :) . Happy that you read the book. Don't remember if I told you then, but I too was put off by the overly “happy camper” vibe that you get from the book. Clearly some of Tim's advice does not work for most people with family (I have 3 small kids) and special circumstances. However, the book is thought provoking, inspiring & certainly played a role on how I choose to do some of my work. Still, the overly happy trouble free dude attitude makes me sick sometimes ;) . Especially the self-centered & self indulging parts that shines through on Tim's blog.

  • http://www.twitter.com/pearsonify Adam Pearson

    Agreed! I was part of the WaMu debacle, working in M&A and putting in 20+ hour days to try and get a deal done at the end. Then at 25, I was one of the first ones shown the door. Talk about working yourself out of a job. But looking back, that experience has been one of the highlights of my career and gave me the exposure and perspective I needed to take my career and life in a different direction…my own.

    Thanks for sharing Ben – good luck!

  • Tereza

    OK, hysterical. Thanks for (re-)sharing. We used to say it all the time! Even funnier now than when I was nine watching it on my friend's Betamax….particularly the Soviet Union and East/West Germany part. Oh, and the hot girls.

    The retro & feel look has me looking forward to this trailer I just saw: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1318257689/

    Looking forward to the post, when it happens.


Mark Suster is a 2x entrepreneur who has gone to the Dark Side of VC. He joined GRP Partners in 2007 as a General Partner after selling his company to Salesforce.com. He focuses on early-stage technology companies. Read more about Mark.

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