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	<title>Comments on: Understanding the Risks of VC Signaling</title>
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		<title>By: X LP</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/03/understanding-vc-signaling/comment-page-2/#comment-5894</link>
		<dc:creator>X LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, there is no way anyone can logically argue that FRC does not do &quot;option-based&quot; investing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s look at the facts:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They have close to 100 companies in their portfolio, a ratio of 25 companies per partner. There is no way they have adequate time to spend with the vast majority of these companies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They have well over a $100 million fund and are likely to raise another soon. There will be massive signaling effects for any entrepreneur who raises money from them. This is compounded by the sheer number of companies in their portfolio, which don&#039;t allow the firm to add much or any value to their portfolio companies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, and most importantly, they position and market themselves as an option-based investor to LPs (I used to work at one of their former LPs and saw their PPM). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is not meant as a personal attack on FRC (again I am only stating facts, not my personal opinion) . Given the number of portfolio companies, their fund size, and approach to investing, FRC is the poster child for option-based investing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark is right that these types of firms have suffered some amount of reputation fall out. I&#039;ve heard this from a number of sources over the past couple of months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, there is no way anyone can logically argue that FRC does not do &#8220;option-based&#8221; investing. </p>
<p>Let&#39;s look at the facts:</p>
<p>They have close to 100 companies in their portfolio, a ratio of 25 companies per partner. There is no way they have adequate time to spend with the vast majority of these companies.</p>
<p>They have well over a $100 million fund and are likely to raise another soon. There will be massive signaling effects for any entrepreneur who raises money from them. This is compounded by the sheer number of companies in their portfolio, which don&#39;t allow the firm to add much or any value to their portfolio companies.</p>
<p>Finally, and most importantly, they position and market themselves as an option-based investor to LPs (I used to work at one of their former LPs and saw their PPM). </p>
<p>This is not meant as a personal attack on FRC (again I am only stating facts, not my personal opinion) . Given the number of portfolio companies, their fund size, and approach to investing, FRC is the poster child for option-based investing.</p>
<p>Mark is right that these types of firms have suffered some amount of reputation fall out. I&#39;ve heard this from a number of sources over the past couple of months.</p>
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		<title>By:  X LP</title>
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		<dc:creator> X LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, there is no way anyone can logically argue that FRC does not do &quot;option-based&quot; investing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s look at the facts:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They have close to 100 companies in their portfolio, a ratio of 25 companies per partner. There is no way they have adequate time to spend with the vast majority of these companies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They have well over a $100 million fund and are likely to raise another soon. There will be massive signaling effects for any entrepreneur who raises money from them. This is compounded by the sheer number of companies in their portfolio, which don&#039;t allow the firm to add much or any value to their portfolio companies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, and most importantly, they position and market themselves as an option-based investor to LPs (I used to work at one of their former LPs and saw their PPM). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is not meant as a personal attack on FRC (again I am only stating facts, not my personal opinion) . Given the number of portfolio companies, their fund size, and approach to investing, FRC is the poster child for option-based investing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mark is right that these types of firms have suffered some amount of reputation fall out. I&#039;ve heard this from a number of sources over the past couple of months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, there is no way anyone can logically argue that FRC does not do &#8220;option-based&#8221; investing. </p>
<p>Let&#39;s look at the facts:</p>
<p>They have close to 100 companies in their portfolio, a ratio of 25 companies per partner. There is no way they have adequate time to spend with the vast majority of these companies.</p>
<p>They have well over a $100 million fund and are likely to raise another soon. There will be massive signaling effects for any entrepreneur who raises money from them. This is compounded by the sheer number of companies in their portfolio, which don&#39;t allow the firm to add much or any value to their portfolio companies.</p>
<p>Finally, and most importantly, they position and market themselves as an option-based investor to LPs (I used to work at one of their former LPs and saw their PPM). </p>
<p>This is not meant as a personal attack on FRC (again I am only stating facts, not my personal opinion) . Given the number of portfolio companies, their fund size, and approach to investing, FRC is the poster child for option-based investing.</p>
<p>Mark is right that these types of firms have suffered some amount of reputation fall out. I&#39;ve heard this from a number of sources over the past couple of months.</p>
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		<title>By: fredwilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>fredwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it was also twitter&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;there are plenty of people who still think twitter is silly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it was also twitter</p>
<p>there are plenty of people who still think twitter is silly</p>
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		<title>By: fredwilson</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/03/understanding-vc-signaling/comment-page-2/#comment-12250</link>
		<dc:creator>fredwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it was also twitter&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;there are plenty of people who still think twitter is silly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it was also twitter</p>
<p>there are plenty of people who still think twitter is silly</p>
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		<title>By: nabeel</title>
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		<dc:creator>nabeel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the marriage analogy, sometimes both people need someone new to see them in a new light. As much as entrepreneurs and VCs talk about &quot;accepting failure&quot; as part of the path there are very few who actually don&#039;t hold it against folks. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obviously George had a hard time seeing past Odeo. It is interesting that as a firm CRV has done several deals recently where they were backing entrepreneurs that haven&#039;t gotten amazing outcomes for them but who they trust will in the future (David Cancel, Evan Schumacher). They obviously just couldn&#039;t get there with Evan for whatever reason, but thankfully someone was there to see it with fresh eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the marriage analogy, sometimes both people need someone new to see them in a new light. As much as entrepreneurs and VCs talk about &#8220;accepting failure&#8221; as part of the path there are very few who actually don&#39;t hold it against folks. </p>
<p>Obviously George had a hard time seeing past Odeo. It is interesting that as a firm CRV has done several deals recently where they were backing entrepreneurs that haven&#39;t gotten amazing outcomes for them but who they trust will in the future (David Cancel, Evan Schumacher). They obviously just couldn&#39;t get there with Evan for whatever reason, but thankfully someone was there to see it with fresh eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: nabeel</title>
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		<dc:creator>nabeel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 19:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the marriage analogy, sometimes both people need someone new to see them in a new light. As much as entrepreneurs and VCs talk about &quot;accepting failure&quot; as part of the path there are very few who actually don&#039;t hold it against folks. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obviously George had a hard time seeing past Odeo. It is interesting that as a firm CRV has done several deals recently where they were backing entrepreneurs that haven&#039;t gotten amazing outcomes for them but who they trust will in the future (David Cancel, Evan Schumacher). They obviously just couldn&#039;t get there with Evan for whatever reason, but thankfully someone was there to see it with fresh eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the marriage analogy, sometimes both people need someone new to see them in a new light. As much as entrepreneurs and VCs talk about &#8220;accepting failure&#8221; as part of the path there are very few who actually don&#39;t hold it against folks. </p>
<p>Obviously George had a hard time seeing past Odeo. It is interesting that as a firm CRV has done several deals recently where they were backing entrepreneurs that haven&#39;t gotten amazing outcomes for them but who they trust will in the future (David Cancel, Evan Schumacher). They obviously just couldn&#39;t get there with Evan for whatever reason, but thankfully someone was there to see it with fresh eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: scheng1</title>
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		<dc:creator>scheng1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think from the standpoint of entreprenuers, signalling risk is hard to overcome.  It is very hard to change the mindset of people when they have formed a bad impression due to bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think from the standpoint of entreprenuers, signalling risk is hard to overcome.  It is very hard to change the mindset of people when they have formed a bad impression due to bias.</p>
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		<title>By: scheng1</title>
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		<dc:creator>scheng1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think from the standpoint of entreprenuers, signalling risk is hard to overcome.  It is very hard to change the mindset of people when they have formed a bad impression due to bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think from the standpoint of entreprenuers, signalling risk is hard to overcome.  It is very hard to change the mindset of people when they have formed a bad impression due to bias.</p>
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		<title>By: chris dixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 22:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the fund.</p>
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		<title>By: chris dixon</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 22:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the fund.</p>
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