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		<title>By: dennis yu</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/27/the-long-term-value-of-loyalty/comment-page-3/#comment-7008</link>
		<dc:creator>dennis yu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 08:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazingly good insight on job loyalty-- I wish I had read this earlier, since it would have saved me a lot of money in hiring.</description>
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		<title>By: dennis yu</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/27/the-long-term-value-of-loyalty/comment-page-3/#comment-9891</link>
		<dc:creator>dennis yu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 08:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazingly good insight on job loyalty-- I wish I had read this earlier, since it would have saved me a lot of money in hiring.</description>
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		<title>By: dennis yu</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/27/the-long-term-value-of-loyalty/comment-page-3/#comment-7009</link>
		<dc:creator>dennis yu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 08:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazingly good insight on job loyalty-- I wish I had read this earlier, since it would have saved me a lot of money in hiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazingly good insight on job loyalty&#8211; I wish I had read this earlier, since it would have saved me a lot of money in hiring.</p>
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		<title>By: dennis yu</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/27/the-long-term-value-of-loyalty/comment-page-3/#comment-9892</link>
		<dc:creator>dennis yu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 08:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazingly good insight on job loyalty-- I wish I had read this earlier, since it would have saved me a lot of money in hiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazingly good insight on job loyalty&#8211; I wish I had read this earlier, since it would have saved me a lot of money in hiring.</p>
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		<title>By: mlee</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/27/the-long-term-value-of-loyalty/comment-page-3/#comment-7007</link>
		<dc:creator>mlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 23:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loyalty is a two-way street.  You show loyalty to get loyalty.  And you can&#039;t be selective - you need to show loyalty to everyone - except those who betray your trust.  This is extremely hard for an employer to do in reality.  Having been through no fewer than 6 rounds of layoffs in 10 years... having seen sobbing in bathrooms and a father laid off the day before his baby was born... I haven&#039;t seen a lot of loyalty in the workplace during my career.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem with all of this is that most employment is at-will, employers can and do fail, and stability and growth have never been less sure than they are today.  Employees are skittish, they are trying to protect their homes and familes... all this conspires to keep loyalty at bay for the near term.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I find it interesting that this conversation is coming up in the midst of a massive recession, at a time when many of us lowly employee-types have become job hoppers by no choice of our own, at a time where the feeling of opportunity and possibility has never been lower.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t live in Silicon Valley and there are no internet startups here that I would want to work for. I have a wife, house, and children so I can&#039;t devote my entire life to a company anymore.  I&#039;ve moved around by choice and been forced to move around as well, I&#039;m sure Mark would have seen my resume and trashed it too, but that&#039;s OK, thankfully there&#039;s other employers who aren&#039;t as picky.  Although my goal is always to stay with a company for the long-term, I am not looking for a family and have no expectation of that type of relationship with my employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loyalty is a two-way street.  You show loyalty to get loyalty.  And you can&#39;t be selective &#8211; you need to show loyalty to everyone &#8211; except those who betray your trust.  This is extremely hard for an employer to do in reality.  Having been through no fewer than 6 rounds of layoffs in 10 years&#8230; having seen sobbing in bathrooms and a father laid off the day before his baby was born&#8230; I haven&#39;t seen a lot of loyalty in the workplace during my career.</p>
<p>The problem with all of this is that most employment is at-will, employers can and do fail, and stability and growth have never been less sure than they are today.  Employees are skittish, they are trying to protect their homes and familes&#8230; all this conspires to keep loyalty at bay for the near term.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that this conversation is coming up in the midst of a massive recession, at a time when many of us lowly employee-types have become job hoppers by no choice of our own, at a time where the feeling of opportunity and possibility has never been lower.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t live in Silicon Valley and there are no internet startups here that I would want to work for. I have a wife, house, and children so I can&#39;t devote my entire life to a company anymore.  I&#39;ve moved around by choice and been forced to move around as well, I&#39;m sure Mark would have seen my resume and trashed it too, but that&#39;s OK, thankfully there&#39;s other employers who aren&#39;t as picky.  Although my goal is always to stay with a company for the long-term, I am not looking for a family and have no expectation of that type of relationship with my employer.</p>
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		<title>By: mlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 23:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loyalty is a two-way street.  You show loyalty to get loyalty.  And you can&#039;t be selective - you need to show loyalty to everyone - except those who betray your trust.  This is extremely hard for an employer to do in reality.  Having been through no fewer than 6 rounds of layoffs in 10 years... having seen sobbing in bathrooms and a father laid off the day before his baby was born... I haven&#039;t seen a lot of loyalty in the workplace during my career.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem with all of this is that most employment is at-will, employers can and do fail, and stability and growth have never been less sure than they are today.  Employees are skittish, they are trying to protect their homes and familes... all this conspires to keep loyalty at bay for the near term.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I find it interesting that this conversation is coming up in the midst of a massive recession, at a time when many of us lowly employee-types have become job hoppers by no choice of our own, at a time where the feeling of opportunity and possibility has never been lower.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t live in Silicon Valley and there are no internet startups here that I would want to work for. I have a wife, house, and children so I can&#039;t devote my entire life to a company anymore.  I&#039;ve moved around by choice and been forced to move around as well, I&#039;m sure Mark would have seen my resume and trashed it too, but that&#039;s OK, thankfully there&#039;s other employers who aren&#039;t as picky.  Although my goal is always to stay with a company for the long-term, I am not looking for a family and have no expectation of that type of relationship with my employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loyalty is a two-way street.  You show loyalty to get loyalty.  And you can&#39;t be selective &#8211; you need to show loyalty to everyone &#8211; except those who betray your trust.  This is extremely hard for an employer to do in reality.  Having been through no fewer than 6 rounds of layoffs in 10 years&#8230; having seen sobbing in bathrooms and a father laid off the day before his baby was born&#8230; I haven&#39;t seen a lot of loyalty in the workplace during my career.</p>
<p>The problem with all of this is that most employment is at-will, employers can and do fail, and stability and growth have never been less sure than they are today.  Employees are skittish, they are trying to protect their homes and familes&#8230; all this conspires to keep loyalty at bay for the near term.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that this conversation is coming up in the midst of a massive recession, at a time when many of us lowly employee-types have become job hoppers by no choice of our own, at a time where the feeling of opportunity and possibility has never been lower.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t live in Silicon Valley and there are no internet startups here that I would want to work for. I have a wife, house, and children so I can&#39;t devote my entire life to a company anymore.  I&#39;ve moved around by choice and been forced to move around as well, I&#39;m sure Mark would have seen my resume and trashed it too, but that&#39;s OK, thankfully there&#39;s other employers who aren&#39;t as picky.  Although my goal is always to stay with a company for the long-term, I am not looking for a family and have no expectation of that type of relationship with my employer.</p>
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		<title>By: garydpdx</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/27/the-long-term-value-of-loyalty/comment-page-3/#comment-7006</link>
		<dc:creator>garydpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 07:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Erin, there can be good reasons to make the &#039;jump&#039;.  Even people who have not done so in the course of their careers, may be faced with the prospect of doing so as we recover from the Great Recession.  People who have been able to keep their jobs at the cost of stagnant or reduced wages, and likely lost benefits, or those who have taken jobs at lower pay, lower rank, will be looking for a positive change.  While financial reasons will be compelling, the opportunity for growth will make it overwhelming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Erin, there can be good reasons to make the &#39;jump&#39;.  Even people who have not done so in the course of their careers, may be faced with the prospect of doing so as we recover from the Great Recession.  People who have been able to keep their jobs at the cost of stagnant or reduced wages, and likely lost benefits, or those who have taken jobs at lower pay, lower rank, will be looking for a positive change.  While financial reasons will be compelling, the opportunity for growth will make it overwhelming!</p>
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		<title>By: garydpdx</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/27/the-long-term-value-of-loyalty/comment-page-3/#comment-9910</link>
		<dc:creator>garydpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 07:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Erin, there can be good reasons to make the &#039;jump&#039;.  Even people who have not done so in the course of their careers, may be faced with the prospect of doing so as we recover from the Great Recession.  People who have been able to keep their jobs at the cost of stagnant or reduced wages, and likely lost benefits, or those who have taken jobs at lower pay, lower rank, will be looking for a positive change.  While financial reasons will be compelling, the opportunity for growth will make it overwhelming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Erin, there can be good reasons to make the &#39;jump&#39;.  Even people who have not done so in the course of their careers, may be faced with the prospect of doing so as we recover from the Great Recession.  People who have been able to keep their jobs at the cost of stagnant or reduced wages, and likely lost benefits, or those who have taken jobs at lower pay, lower rank, will be looking for a positive change.  While financial reasons will be compelling, the opportunity for growth will make it overwhelming!</p>
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		<title>By: garydpdx</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/27/the-long-term-value-of-loyalty/comment-page-3/#comment-7004</link>
		<dc:creator>garydpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 05:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I agree with nearly all your criteria against job hoppers, taking into account age, the economy (recession), circumstances, etc.  Maybe more people should calm down and read your blog pieces thoroughly first ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, with the (hopefully passed) Great Recession, a lot of people will have endured wage stagnation or cuts at jobs that they were &#039;lucky to have&#039; or be hired into new jobs at lower pay, lower rank.  A lot of people are taking jobs out of necessity, for lack of an alternative.  If the &#039;new normal&#039; turns out to be a bit better than what is expected in a long, slow recovery then I can see some, even quite a lot of churn in the next 2-3 years.  Jumping for 5% in the &#039;short term&#039; will be balanced against staying for less in the same old, same old for most people with no greater expectation of security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I agree with nearly all your criteria against job hoppers, taking into account age, the economy (recession), circumstances, etc.  Maybe more people should calm down and read your blog pieces thoroughly first &#8230;</p>
<p>That said, with the (hopefully passed) Great Recession, a lot of people will have endured wage stagnation or cuts at jobs that they were &#39;lucky to have&#39; or be hired into new jobs at lower pay, lower rank.  A lot of people are taking jobs out of necessity, for lack of an alternative.  If the &#39;new normal&#39; turns out to be a bit better than what is expected in a long, slow recovery then I can see some, even quite a lot of churn in the next 2-3 years.  Jumping for 5% in the &#39;short term&#39; will be balanced against staying for less in the same old, same old for most people with no greater expectation of security.</p>
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		<title>By: garydpdx</title>
		<link>http://www.bothsidesofthetable.com/2010/04/27/the-long-term-value-of-loyalty/comment-page-3/#comment-9951</link>
		<dc:creator>garydpdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 05:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I agree with nearly all your criteria against job hoppers, taking into account age, the economy (recession), circumstances, etc.  Maybe more people should calm down and read your blog pieces thoroughly first ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, with the (hopefully passed) Great Recession, a lot of people will have endured wage stagnation or cuts at jobs that they were &#039;lucky to have&#039; or be hired into new jobs at lower pay, lower rank.  A lot of people are taking jobs out of necessity, for lack of an alternative.  If the &#039;new normal&#039; turns out to be a bit better than what is expected in a long, slow recovery then I can see some, even quite a lot of churn in the next 2-3 years.  Jumping for 5% in the &#039;short term&#039; will be balanced against staying for less in the same old, same old for most people with no greater expectation of security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I agree with nearly all your criteria against job hoppers, taking into account age, the economy (recession), circumstances, etc.  Maybe more people should calm down and read your blog pieces thoroughly first &#8230;</p>
<p>That said, with the (hopefully passed) Great Recession, a lot of people will have endured wage stagnation or cuts at jobs that they were &#39;lucky to have&#39; or be hired into new jobs at lower pay, lower rank.  A lot of people are taking jobs out of necessity, for lack of an alternative.  If the &#39;new normal&#39; turns out to be a bit better than what is expected in a long, slow recovery then I can see some, even quite a lot of churn in the next 2-3 years.  Jumping for 5% in the &#39;short term&#39; will be balanced against staying for less in the same old, same old for most people with no greater expectation of security.</p>
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