Why Entrepreneurs & VCs Should Focus on Basecamp, Not the Summit

This article originally appeared on Silicon Alley Insider.

A few months ago I wrote a post called “Invest in Lines, Not Dots.” It was my investment philosophy that observing teams’ performance over time was far more insightful than reacting to how good of a product demo they do, how good they present Powerpoint slides or how great tech blogs say they are.

Equally, I encouraged entrepreneurs to spend time getting to know their future VCs early because getting a feel for your chemistry is far more important than how the VC is ranked in some survey. Equally, I encouraged entrepreneurs to thoroughly reference check their VCs – you’ll learn much more from this than anything else.

Lines vs. Dots is all about people. It’s about how entrepreneurs perform over time and respond to adversity, how they ship products, how they attract other talent, etc. For investors it’s how much they follow up when they say they will, do they use and engage with your product and so on.

Market Opportunity

But what about markets? We always say that great opportunities are composed of a world-class team addressing a big & disruptive market opportunity.

In this area I’ve developed another philosophy that guides my investment decisions and forms a lot of the premise that I debate in our internal partners’ meetings when I’m advocating that we invest in a company.  I call it “focus on basecamp, not the summit.” I felt the exact same way when I was an entrepreneur.

Let me explain.

Years ago when I was a struggling entrepreneur I sat through scores of VC meetings presenting my vision, my company and my product. One of the common refrains that I heard was that investors were looking for “large markets with lots of white space.”  This annoyed me to no end.

I argued the same thing every time usually to deaf ears. “There’s no such thing as a large market with lots of white space. If there were, other companies would already be filling it. By definition the market is already large and therefore crowded or it’s nascent and the opportunity is not totally clear.

In the former case I might be looking to totally change the way online banking works – like BankSimple – or the way that low-income lending is done in an ethical way like ZestCast (we’re an investor). But these markets don’t have “white space.”  They might be large markets, sure. They incumbents might provide terrible products or services that you think you can better. But be sure that along your ascent they’re going to notice you and respond.

Or maybe you’re trying to dramatically change the way TV is consumed, like Boxee or TV advertising works on the Internet, like Hulu. Or maybe you’re developing second screen viewing applications like GetGlue or building a YouTube studio to deliver low-cost content.  These markets for disrupting the way that TV is consumed and delivered aren’t large yet, but they’re going to be.

I would like to say it again. Large markets with white space don’t exist. So let’s stop pretending they do.

My argument as an entrepreneur and my thesis as an investor is that I’m looking to get to basecamp.

I define basecamp as an attainable goal in the 2 year time horizon. It’s developing a differentiated product in a market where you can demonstrate value to your customers – whether they’re paying or not. Don’t get me wrong – the industry you’re in needs to be large enough or you perceive it will become large. But your exact long-term “market?” Focus on basecamp.

And here’s why – if you look to the summit often it seems unattainable. Take Boxee, if you looked at what it would take to fight in the living room for digital supremacy in a world where Microsoft, Intel, Apple, Sony and others have tried and failed for years you’d never even bother trying. If you look at Hulu and said, “the networks will never enable a strong competitor to broadcast TV you’d need to put your head in the sand.

Yet I’d argue that each has achieved basecamp. Neither is sure to reach the top but both have helped to redraw the landscape about how the future of how the television industry will work. I want to be clear – there is not “white space”  in the digital living room. There is only road kill.

How can we call ourselves entrepreneurs or venture capitalists if we’re not willing to try to build important companies just because we know that from basecamp to the summit will be perilous? When we have our internal debates I use some form of the following argument,

“Look, I can’t tell you with absolute certainly what the right revenue model will be that will make this a large company one day. I can’t tell you how incumbents will act and who else will choose to compete fiercely with us.

I can tell you that I think we have a great shot at being a strong player in a market that I think will be important. We can see evidence of change. I can tell you how we intend to monetize for the short-term.  But long term? All bets are off. I can also tell you that if we capture basecamp we’re going to be incredibly well positioned.

And if we achieve objectives A, B, C we are going to be well on our way to building an incredibly valuable and defensible business.”

My goal: Basecamp.  From there we’ll figure out whether to go for the summit, whether to sell or whether to look for adjacent mountains.

See the funny thing is that when you get to basecamp 1 you often find out that there are bigger opportunities or maybe just an easier route to climb on an adjacent hill.

Think about Twitter. My gut feeling is that it initially started as an experiment – an accident. If I understand correctly it was initially a platform for sending SMS messages to friends via a website. Basecamp. After that they realized the power of the platform for “microblogging.”  Only later, for example, did people come up with the idea for hashtags that help organize information.

As you know, one of the primary revenue models of Twitter today is “promoted Tweets” based on hashtags. That summit would have been so foggy from day one you couldn’t have predicted it. Hashtags were organically created by the Twitter community the way that RT (retweets) were and OH (over heard) was and #FF (follow Friday), etc. We have no clue where the community will help take Twitter next.

I’ll bet money that when Fred Wilson chased down Twitter in the early days to make an investment it was because he knew that they were on to something big ultimately, but it wasn’t clear what that would eventually become or look like. I don’t want to put words in his mouth, but I’m guessing he knew that there was a large basecamp with a defensible position if they reached it. And he likely knew that from there they’d have a much easier time scaling one hell of a mountain.

But it wasn’t a large market with lots of white space. It wasn’t a market at all. And along the way there were skeptics claiming any one of the following arguments:

  • growth is stalling
  • the youth will never use it
  • Facebook will crush them
  • they’ll never make any money

I argued all along that all of these premises were likely to be proved wrong.  And along the way more data came out showing that the Monday morning quarterbacks got it wrong.

And as I’ve argued many times I think an ever bigger mountain would come if they pushed an open platform harder and told the world, “come make money on Twitter’s ecosystem” (the way that Facebook did in beating MySpace) and then tax the winners later. That’s the summit I see from my vantage point, from talking to 3rd-party developers who haven’t put the resources into Twitter that I would have liked to see them commit. And I’ve heard similar from my discussions with other VCs who tell me they’re not sure they can make money backing businesses that integrate tightly with Twitter so they focus elsewhere.

I’m still optimistic.

But I’m not sitting at basecamp with the Twitter staring up the mountain and making decisions about the best route to the top. So maybe they’re seeing something that I’m not. They have to make the tough decisions about where to allocate scarce resources, what the future business model will become and how to compete with other large platforms out there. They are at basecamp.

The thing is that at basecamp you have a much better vantage point than anybody else on the ground to look at routes to climb. You have the real data – everybody else is just making calls from the bottom of the mountain and radioing them in. That includes me.

Whatever their eventual path and outcomes – I would argue that their impact on Iran, Tunisia & Egypt – and frankly on the way that we as a society communicate now – has rendered them one of the most important technologies of the past decade. The fact that they can be both an economic engine and a driver for social change is awesome. And I’ll bet they encountered some cynical VCs in the early days who said, “this doesn’t look like a large enough market with enough white space.”

So to entrepreneurs – don’t be so obsessed with “end game” as you are focused on building to an amazing basecamp position. That doesn’t mean to build products in an industry where there will clearly be structural challenges to ever become large. The summit eventually matters. And you still need to spend some time figuring out the basic economics of your business – at least for basecamp. Just don’t obsess on what life will look like in 7 years. Nobody knows that. 7 years ago there was no Facebook.

And to investors – please consider how realistic it is for an amazing team building a great piece of technology to really predict what the summit looks like.  Don’t try to be “too clever by half.” Don’t fall for that false line of reasoning that there are large markets with big white space. And for gawd’s sake – please stop justifying your disinterest because Facebook, Google, Microsoft could easily do this themselves. That line of reasoning would render the entire startup tech market useless.

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  • http://www.cscyphers.com/blog scyphers

    How would you compare/contrast/connect your idea of working towards basecamp (and maybe adjacent mountains) with the lean startup/MVP/pivot approach that seems to be all the rage these days?

    Full disclosure; my startup is running lean (well, as lean as possible).

  • http://twitter.com/Sirachm Sirach Mendes

    Mark
    Very Interesting perspective….
    Business models evolve over time and we know facebook, google and microsoft all run very different business compared to their initial business plans and slide decks.

    Scaling to the Basecamp is the challenge but helps a company narrow down and focus on next steps of journey…

    Reminds me of the Bon Jovi song – ´Living on Prayer` -Oh, We´re half way there (the chorus applies to start up life )

  • http://www.wadhwa.com Vivek Wadhwa

    Mark, count me as a fan. You write some very thoughtful and insightful posts.

    Regards,

    Vivek

  • @simther2011

    Good article. It offer a different point of viewé

  • Vivek

    Im a little confused. Does basecamp mean a business that is valuable but doesnt generate any revenue? Eg: Twitter.
    Or does it mean a company which does well in a niche of a particular industry but is not the dominating player yet. Eg: 37Signals for CRM?

  • http://twitter.com/CRMdipitous Misha Sobolev

    Awesome post, Mark.

    To extend the analogy, as an entrepreneur you'd need to have enough visibility into the market space or have good intuition into how the (fast changing) market would evolve to make sure your basecamp is next to a summit.

    There are plenty of examples of vanishing “summits” or basecamps that turn out to be isolated mole hills. Here is a good post from Chris Dixon you like so much on how to optimize the “basecamp” picking methodology http://cdixon.org/2009/09/19/c…/

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I believe in running lean at the start of nearly every company (there are exceptions). I think a change in direction from basecamp *could* be considered a “pivot” but I don't like to think of it that way. I like to think of a shift from one mountain to the next as making pragmatic decisions based on the available information from basecamp – which you never could have seen from the bottom of the mountain.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Thank you, Vivek. We have many shared experiences, which is why we probably get along. I look forward to our 1-on-1 – with no audience to debate in front of ;-)

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Basecamp is establishing a product that gains adoption and reaches a set of realistic milestones that can be achieved within 2 years rather than over focusing on the summit (how big this can ultimately become).

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Great link. I hadn't read that post before, but as usual Chris really hits the nail on the head. I shall point lots of young people to that post.

  • http://twitter.com/Faute_de_mieux Paul Smyth

    Great blog post Mark, so key to get to that first stage where the company can demonstrate a different product with value to its customer, but I would also suggest that at Basecamp they need to demonstrate value to the investors as well. If they are at Basecamp and investors are still looking at it and there are no clear returns it will be hard for the company to raise more money?

  • http://www.asoftwarestartupguy.com David Miller

    I love this article and posted something similar on my blog recently: when you're a start-up, it's hard to know what the Big Ideas really are. Start small and humble and opportunities get bigger as time moves on.

    Here's my post: http://bit.ly/gnRzBi

  • petegrif

    Good piece. Particularly like the conclusion “And to investors – please consider how realistic it is for an amazing team building a great piece of technology to really predict what the summit looks like.” The thing about 'a great piece of technology' is that it likely has many applications and at the early stages (looking for money, early in customer development) it is very hard (probably impossible) to know which application area will catch fire.

  • http://twitter.com/iCrowdApps Ted Kao

    I do agree with your point of view. However, when I speak with Angels/VCs, they want to know “addressable market” and “revenue model” right now even though we are pretty early. We did put one together but how do you reconcile this ask from potential investors with what your saying? I think most VCs may agree with you that shifts happen but they want to know up front on how they make their money back. I struggle with building the right message around this topic in our presentations.

  • http://twitter.com/jefs Jef Sewell

    This is great. Something about the metaphor seems highly reminiscent of mining operations. Ever heard of the old “law of the apex” in mining? The idea is when someone struck gold (or copper, etc.) they were allowed to pursue the metal wherever it led laterally. Even if that meant they were crossing underneath property lines of competing mines. This led to some epic physical and legal battles back in the early industrializing economy.

    The key point is to stake a claim and start digging. You're going to find nothing until you find something. Once you find something, follow it wherever it leads you. You might just hit the motherlode before anyone has a clue you've tunneled underneath their claim, let alone unearthed all the real value.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    You always need to show value to investors – at every stage. My analogy for investors was – if we entrepreneurs can show a clear path to basecamp and a murkier path to the summit then we should be backable. Seeing the path to the summit from the ground is a fallacy.

  • http://www.clubvisiontv.com/ Doug Wulff

    It looks like this milestone approach to busdev/financing would follow:
    1) Secure a Beachhead (re 'Crossing the Chasm')
    2) Make Basecamp
    3) Climb to summit

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Have a solid 2-year plan with monthly projections on revenue (if any) and costs. Show how big you *think* the market could be in a 5 year time horizon with rationale why. But building a detailed 5-year model is a waste. Any investor looking for this is the wrong investor.

  • http://about.me/markbirch Mark Birch

    Same idea as to what I think of as milestones, points in the journey that show that the founders have shown real progress towards a tangible goal. You set the goal, you charge hard towards achieving the goal, then evaluate progress. It might be user counts, revenue, pageviews, transactions processed, etc as long as it is measurable and relevant.

    On a side note, people still talk about Twitter like Katie Couric and Bryant Gumbel were talking about the Internet in 1994. Eventually the questions will fade away and appear quaint in the not so distant future.

    Good stuff and always enjoy the read!

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Stake a claim & start digging …. I like that. I had never heard the mining analogies – thank you.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Loved your post. Commented over there.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    That sounds sensible. But mostly … don't obsess with the summit when you start the journey. When I first wrote the post I was talking to investors about a pet peeve from my life as an entrepreneur. Then I decided to broaden the scope.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Thanks, Mark. And I love that Katie Couric & Bryant Gumbel video. Love it.

  • http://twitter.com/iCrowdApps Ted Kao

    Thanks! Will try this route.

  • Editor

    Where the anology breaks down: At basecamp, you're starting to get oxygen-deprived and can't think straight.

  • http://piclyf.com/ericzoo Ericzoo

    big fan of how you think. A few questions;

    Is basecamp similar to product market fit (pmarca)?
    any reason for the 2 year milepost?

    I also think Twitter's move to capture traffic was disingenuous at first but have now realized that its a less chaotic route of which they can make more developer friendly again down the road (up the summit) but with built-in traffic (twitter apps will now live within the walled garden of twitter).

  • http://www.dividend.com Paul Rubillo

    Hi Mark, Great post! I'm a recent reader of your content and maybe you have discussed this in the past, but what do entrepreneurs do that have the basecamp roadmap laid out, but then get pushed by investors, VCs, angels, etc. to veer course because of the next big thing. Where's your widget?, Where's your app?, What's your facebook strategy, and so on?) . How did you deal with this in your experiences? We bootstrapped ourselves and never had to battle those storylines.

  • http://twitter.com/wfjackson3 Willis F Jackson III

    Like I said on twitter, this is essentially my strategy to differentiate from my competition. If I can get to basecamp fast enough, I will count it as a large advantage that when used properly will help me to stay ahead of the market. And as we progress, we will develop some expertise in our industry that is difficult for others to match (again, if we execute that strategy well).

    Thanks for the clear descriptions Mark. I feel like I should make potential investors read your blog before I try to get a meeting with them. If only…

  • PEguy

    Misha – thanks for posting the link. I'm in my mid-20s and have been working in finance (now with a private equity shop) for 2 years. I've been applying for analyst/associate VC roles (GRP included :) ) and am also waiting for my MBA admission results.

    An opportunity to join a start-up was presented to me last week and I have to admit, “the lure of the current hill is strong*.” By “current hill” I mean my current job ($) and the MBA route. After much consideration, however, my gut feeling is that the start-up could very well be a fantastic experience and serve as my “practical” MBA. Who knows, the experience could also serve as a strong selling point down the road if/when I apply for a role at a VC.

    *http://cdixon.org/2009/09/19/c…/

  • http://twitter.com/wfjackson3 Willis F Jackson III

    I kind of see product/market fit and his basecamping strategy as complimentary but not the same. Basecamping is about going for a product/market fit where you provide value but you are far enough into the industry and your fit is sufficiently well developed so that you can see the industry more clearly. I would suggest that achieving initial product/market fit is one of those first steps up the mountain. Basecamping is about reaching a level of depth where you gain significant new perspectives about your market and it's opportunities.

    I guess they are pretty similar after all.

  • Gourav S

    Hey Mark
    I am a fan of your blog and your interviews on TWIVC

    Its almost a ritual to wake up every morning and check if theres a new post or something.

    These are tough, but exciting times for me and my team building a startup.
    Sometimes your views make us very optimistic (almost over-optimistic), while at other times, they make us think realistically.

    Each very important.

    Thanks a lot
    Cheers

    ps: plz plz do more of your video interviews. i love them

  • Blake Southwood

    Mark,
    I totally agree and this a really good analysis of opportunities and it's only after reaching
    a certain point which is a basecamp venue that other opportunities are visible. When I started
    with my company I was just trying to make code more human readable and user-friendly and
    then I realized it reduces bugs. The speed gain in code production possibilities only occurred
    to me when I reached the basecamp that was my original goal and then that became a stepping
    stone to higher bascamps that I couldn't see from the base of the mountain. But most importantly
    only when I reached a basecamp (milestone) was I able to think in a more out of the box way to
    see the next basecamp possibility/opportunity which represented a discovery that opened my mind.
    Blake

  • jeffsolomon

    Sick one.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    practical MBA still leaves you many options if you perform well there. Oh, plus no debt

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    I don't think they're the same. Product / market fit I see as the time in which the product you've built is well timed with a fast-growing market need for a product of this type. It's possible that you set out for basecamp and discover you DON'T have product / market fit. That's when you reassess and figure out your next moves.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Listen to all the advice you get, understand the reasons they're suggesting it and then ignore most of it. Don't chase shiny objects. You'll always be closer to your market than any investors trying to apply what they've seen elsewhere. That said, do take in the information and think through rationally if it applies. Just don't be pressured into anything.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    Thank you, sir! And many more video interviews ahead.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster

    That's a great story to hear. And good luck with your continued roll out.

  • http://www.dividend.com Paul Rubillo

    Makes a lot of sense Mark. Totally agree.

  • http://www.miller-gold.com Jonathan C. Miller

    Great Article Mark – thank you!

    My experience, both as an entrepreneur and an investor, is that the patch from A to Z is never a straight line.

    I believe that your suggestion to stay focused on basecamp is the fastest path to reaching the summit and will most likely result in actually reaching the top.

    I think the 18-24 month period is appropriate for our times. What would you define as the right type of milestones / traction within this period?

    Jonathan

  • http://www.aaronklein.com/ Aaron Klein

    Funny. I think 37Signals would completely agree with your comment. ;)

  • http://www.enterthegroup.com Sal Pellettieri

    Mark,

    Great insights here. You ever think about taking all these posts, expanding them a bit and writing a book?

  • http://www.rentsavy.com Mike

    +1 for referencing Bon Jovi

  • http://twitter.com/rkillgo Russell Killgo

    Mark, I'm becoming very impressed with the frequency and quality in which you post and update your blog. Knowing the demands on time of work, family and all that goes with having a young child… Nice job!

    My startup situation is this: We believe that we have identified basecamp and see all the other companies that can't reach the summit. Some don't have the vision of the route to take, some don't have the energy and drive to work hard enough to get there, some don't have the physical abilities to get there, and some think they have climbed high enough. I think we will be the first to actually reach the summit in this market. I spoke with my lead developer this morning and he confirmed to me that we have achieved the merging and connection capabilities that we weren't even sure were possible when we started working on this. This functionality is what will separate us from the others that are failing to reach the summit.

    I have taken to heart the idea of researching and getting to know your VC. I don't have any issue with swinging for the fences and heading straight to the top. This is why I want to get in front of you near the end of this month to show you what we have. Regardless of whether or not you decide to invest with us, I respect your opinion and know you will be honest with me and not pull any punches. I think with your experience on both sides, you understand what an entrepreneur needs to hear, not just what they want to hear. — Russell
    russellsiffter@gmail.com

  • http://twitter.com/iCrowdApps Ted Kao

    Hi Mark, thanks again for this post. I ended up writing about your ideas in our own blog post and linked it back yours. http://bit.ly/enQ15s

  • Megan

    Excellent article! This really provides a fresh perspective about being comfortable with what you have, where you are going and what the priority is, now. So often I find myself thinking about what it needs to be vs. where it is right now. That is not to say the vision is lacking, but that the ideas and next steps will be there. I wish more VC's were like you, Mark…. You get it. And you just made me realize that I need to be excited about now. That is what truly matters and the basecamp will be there!

  • Terry J. Leach

    GREAT POST!!! I got a different perspective using your base camp analogy, before I had a vision of the Summit, but I knew I needed an intermediate goal/vision which I thought of as a market segment. I know that market segment did not properly describe the my goal, but using the base camp throughly encapsulate my vision.

  • sterner

    Great post and very true. Before continuing, I wanted to say thanks for taking the initiative to write posts on TC about sales. There is not enough conversation about sales in the startup world. I was the guy debating that post (hopefully taken as respectful debate because it was intended that way), and it served as impetus for me to check out what's going on over here on your blog.

    In regards to reaching basecamp, I couldn't agree more and I say that as a co-founder of a company that is at Basecamp (perhaps on its way to the Summit) right now. What I can honestly say is that we were aiming for that huge white space and it absolutely did not exist. However, we never stopped chugging, we outsmarted a lot of competitors, we built a ton of value, and now–having that history behind us–we are in a position to a) continue to grow our lead in our chosen niche and b) launch a new product outside of our niche that is 100% uniquely positioned and dialed for a broader marketplace–not white space…highly contested space that we know we can take a solid chunk of. The best part is that, in the eyes of our competitors, we are coming out of nowhere and our game is tight as all hell.

  • http://bothsidesofthetable.com msuster
  • Hi

    Dear Mark, this post is mindblowing! Consider me as another Fan of Yours…


Mark Suster is a 2x entrepreneur who has gone to the Dark Side of VC. He joined GRP Partners in 2007 as a General Partner after selling his company to Salesforce.com. He focuses on early-stage technology companies. Read more about Mark.

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