The Co-Founder Mythology

I spoke at Stanford last year about starting a tech company. They really cleverly chopped the video up into small bite-sized segments.

So for anybody who reads my “This Week in VC” transcripts but doesn’t watch the video – this one’s for you! It’s only 3 minutes, 44 seconds.

I covered what I call “the co-founder mythology.” So embedded is this conventional wisdom in Silicon Valley that it feels like heresy to even question it. It’s a sacred cow, for sure.

So emotional is the topic that people often want to debate me based on the title before they’ve even heard my point of view. If you’re interested in the topic please watch the video by clicking on the image above.

Here is a quick summary of my POV:

  • When you start a company a 50/50 partnership seems obvious. Either you’re not technical and you think you need a technical co-founder or vice-versa
  • Conventional wisdom says that you gain far more in working as a team than you lose by diluting by half before you start.
  • Conventional wisdom doesn’t account for all of the things that go wrong in partnerships over time; especially ones that are formed quickly and without a long gestation period.
  • It is increasingly popular to have “founder dating” or “startup weekend hackathons” of some variety or the other. We get cast together with a team of people we barely know and if we win we gleefully announce we’re going to do a company together. We don’t even know whether they snore.
  • You often have very limited perspective on whether this person will continue to be a great partner 2 years down the line, 4 years down the line, 8 years down the line
  • Even if you *think* you know them, people change. One person gets more risk averse, the other has more risk appetite. One person gets married or has kids and starts to de-prioritize the business. One person loses the passion for what you do. Or you have disagreements about strategy, recruiting, funding, etc.
  • 50/50 partnerships can be hugely unstable – even if you’ve been friends since high school.
  • And all of the hard work is ahead of you. You’re only going to find out whether they’re TRULY a great partner after you’ve put in years of money, blood, sweat & tears.
  • I think most people do 50/50 partnerships because they’re afraid to start alone. It’s scarier because if you fail it was only you and all your fault. Somehow it feels easier to leap together. I know. It’s what I did the first time.
  • I say, “go ahead & take the leap” if you want to start a company (many people don’t want to – that’s OK, too.). Hire your co-founder. Give them a large sum of equity. 20%. 30%. Even 40%. Vested over 4 years. If you ever fall out of love you have a pre-nuptial agreement. I talk about that in more detail here.
  • Truly treat them like a co-founder. Give them access to all confidential information. Involve them in fund raising, hiring, strategy, etc. Publicly call them a co-founder. Don’t rule like a dictator. But … if you have very big disagreements about funding, risk levels (e.g. like how much burn rate), whether to sell the company, etc. you won’t be backed into a corner or unable to make tough decisions.

Here’s the reality: most people don’t want to start a business. They don’t have an idea. They don’t want to come up with one from scratch. They don’t want the risk of the first 3-6 months with no salary and having to walk around with a tin-cup for funding. So most people join companies. That’s OK. It’s the more sane thing to do. Startups have high failure rates.

Most senior employees who join are given 2% if they join early. Maybe they get up to 10% if they joined REALLY early and were senior. Who gets 30%? Nobody. That’s who. So trust me when I tell you that you can hire incredibly talented people for 30% of your company. Or 20%. Let’s be honest – even 10%.

And here’s the thing – given that all of the hard work is IN FRONT of you (as in the next 8 years of your life) – why would you start out with an unstable position if you don’t have to?

I know many people reading this will violently disagree. And some of them will be from startups that are already very successful. If it’s working – no problem. I’m not saying it will never work. But many of the cases where it goes well are when the company hasn’t struggled. We’re all friends when things are moving up and to the right.

If you do decide to go down the 50/50 route, please at least consider:

  • Make sure you have founder vesting for both of you. It is not uncommon to see startup founders walk before raising capital and take large pieces of equity with no vesting. That means that the people who stay get to work their arses off to try and make money for the person that walked. Why risk it?
  • Make sure you have a very clearly established governance structure. None of this, “we’re co-founders, we just work well together. So we’re co-CEO’s” BS. Pick a leader. Have a clear path to resolving conflicts if they arise.
  • Discuss up front how you’re going to resolve any conflicts. Discuss topics such as funding, risk orientation, how long each of you wants to be doing this business, what happens when one partner wants to leave or one isn’t performing?
  • I wrote about many of the early-stage startup mistakes here.

OK. Now feel free to shoot the messenger.

Just please read one more message first: I promise you for as great as you feel about your current partnership agreement – I meet far more people who had problems with theirs than founders who didn’t have problems. People just don’t talk about it publicly or in blogs.

I meet far more second or third time entrepreneurs who wouldn’t do a 50/50 (or 33/33/33) partnership ever again than you would image.

I am one of them.

Update: Russell Fradin makes a great point. If you’re already “been to war with them” in a company and know their character I would consider it more. There are some people you trust like family. I have about 2 of those.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/eddie.taylor09 Eddie Taylor

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  • http://twitter.com/Volnado Volnado

    I just made offer to my star CEO to what amounts to a founders cut vested over 3 years. I like this model because as long as he makes the right calls and executes my vision with our team we all win. 

    I have a Question though : How often do you see solo founders take in new CEOs and work together as a team like in a perfect world 50/50 co-founder scenario? Or better question : How would you structure the deal to lower risk of Founder – CEO battles?

  • http://www.freshcode.co.za/ FreshCode

     Please put the video on YouTube and embed it. This player just doesn’t work.

  • http://www.princetonpower.com Erik Limpaecher

    One note of caution about founder vesting: if Incentive Stock Options (ISOs) are being used, the co-founder could be hit with a *large* Alternative Minimum Tax bill when he leaves the company. This is effectively a pre-payment of the tax that would be due when the company is acquired. Of course, without having the profits to help pay the tax bill, the AMT is a large burden for individual to bear.

    I’m not an accountant, so please don’t ask me to explain the details.  I have seen this happen with one co-founder who left early, had a ~10% stake, and had vested and exercised all his options. He had to take out a personal loan just to pay the taxes on completely illiquid shares.

  • http://www.princetonpower.com Erik Limpaecher

    “when two top dogs get together if often doesn’t work out” — so true!  

    In my experience, there was constant friction between co-founders. Things only got better when the company was large enough that the two top dogs could each run their own “group,” with one focusing on R&D contracts while the other focused on application engineering and product sales.

  • Startupjedi

    Great point and its something I’m learning.  How much of the initial partnership negotiation do you think affects the relationship down the road?  Sometimes people overvalue what they bring to the table.  how do you convey to them their true value without created tension or can you?  

  • Anonymous

    As a second time entrepreneur I completely agree with not doing a 50/50 split.  My first company was a 50/50 split.  It was an extremely difficult 8 year relationship with uneven levels of commitment. 

    This time I started my company (HireFlo) as a single founder.  I work in Boulder and I’ve gotten a lot of resistence to to the single founder model from the local startup community, especially people associated with TechStars (which I love but they don’t love single founders). 

    Mark, yours is the only voice I’ve heard advocating the single founder / hire your cofounder approach and given my experience. I think you make some good points and that’s definitely the route I’m going. 

  • http://www.RenegadeToolCo.com Timothy Lemnah

    I say hire your co-founders too, but without the equity. When your business is so appealing to them they will work for free, because they know its something that they would dread for the rest of their lives if they missed out on it. They are all in love with sales commission. Hire the best and you will be the best!

  • Jennifer Reuting

     As a female, sole-founder I can tell you that being female probably had nothing to do with it.  There’s nothing to say that those same people wouldn’t be equally skeptical if they were meeting with males.  In my opinion, if you don’t have established relationships with your team members, then you need to achieve velocity (on your own) and at that point, you’ll be in a much better position to get rockstars on board.  You’ll also be able to do it on better terms.

    The purpose of co-founders shouldn’t be to make the road less scary.  I think that’s why a lot of founders partner up early on – because they don’t like the feeling of standing alone.  But in the end — does it really matter?  If you fail, you fail – co-founder or not.  Better it be on your shoulders and you are able to take the lesson, then having a co-founder you can point a finger at.

    So, congrats on your courage.

    IMO, there are two types of single founders — those who think they can go it alone and don’t want anyone else there questioning their vision and those who understand that the quality of a core team is a crucial and want to take the first default option that presents itself (as Mark so eloquently illustrated).  From my limited exposure to angels and VCs, I think their (often very vocal!) reluctance to avoid single founders really stems from their fear of the former.  And rightly so…

  • Jennifer Reuting

     Oops — good thing I read back over this.  Meant to say “DON’T want to take the first default option…” 

    Now back to work!

  • Hady

    Mark,  the Co-founder myth originated from and has always been associated with “Immediate Success” start ups  as you’ve just pointed out with Google case and the like. These start ups didn’t go through cross-road hard decision making early on or product pivoting. A ship with two captains is fine as long as the journey is a smooth sailing.  Now considering that almost all start ups will face a storm or ten and eventually fail; should I dare suggest that co-founding is …

    Will let you complete the sentence :)

  • Anonymous

    Mark, as an expansion stage investor, I run into many co-founder issues caused by a lot of different problems, including the problems that you point out. 

    What I like to tell people is that it is a lot like getting married…you should date a bit first…similar to Russell’s point I guess, but even the best marriages end up in divorce because people change.  I strongly urge founders to consider the divorce scenarios when they get married and make sure that they are workable…it is hard to do, as you don’t want to be thinking about divorce when you are getting married and expect to be BFFs forever…

  • Mark Y

    Is it difficult to fire them or more difficult to knock the entitlement off their shoulders?

    In the eyes of loyal teammates, it destroys moral immediately.

    On the other foot, it’s a catch 22. When approached by friends and relatives to come on board, saying no will also lead to becoming a cast-away.

    Stay focused my friends. 

  • http://www.firstgearconsulting.com Lenny Turetsky

    Mr. Suster’s point is exactly the idea behind First Gear Consulting: a tech co-founder for hire (cash+equity) with no question as to who’s in charge: you, the client/founder/CEO.

  • http://declandunn.com Declan Dunn

     This article really struck home for me, irritating me because I made this stumble once, but even worst. We had 3 partners who split the company, and got 3 offers to buy – no one could agree so we never achieved consensus, and our individual shares were all too small to make the acquisition make sense, it became like getting a job with a small bonus. 

    One thing to remember; participation and value delivered is never, ever equal; it’s always skewed, sometimes momentarily, sometimes regularly one person delivers more than the others. Lots of entrepreneurs want equality, but business isn’t equal, and addressing this before it becomes a problem can really help…after all, it’s capitalism, not socialism!

  • http://twitter.com/Archemike Michael O’Brien

    The Donald Trump I only need 10 percent is my favorite.  I put in work and get that 10 percent locked up in a  buy/sell agreement and then move on to the next. This is beautiful when you check your mail and twice a week you get your monthly dividend checks from different ventures.  4-hour work week de-facto :)

  • Delly

     interesting POV, I totally get it. My question is, if I’m useing co-founder matching platforms like http://we.makeastartup.com/ I’ll rather find co-founders willing to get some share but not close to 50% or even clever co-founders willing to work for 5-30%.

  • Anonymous

     Mark,
    I admire your candor on a very sensitive and controversial topic. 
    As the CEO of a company who does business with over 159,000 entrpreneurs, I have seen more heart ache and pain with technical cofounders than I can recount in a posting like this.  I can tell you numerous stories of falling-outs, break-ups, trust gone wrong, and (sadly enough) even company hostage taking and betrayal.
    The problem, though, is that a non-technical entrepreneur typically feels they have no choice.  Even today, with the ability to outsource from one’s desktop, 99% of these people don’t have the skills to manage a technical team.  That’s because it requires technical lead skills, project management skills, outsourcing management skills and quality control skills.  These are things they simply don’t have, and don’t have the time or inclination to master. So they have to find someone to do that for them and a technical co-founder is always what everyone tells them to do.  Yes sometimes it works.  But too often they often end up in the equivalent of a “bad marriage”.
    After hearing about this problem over and over again, we came up with a solution, which we rolled out to entrepreneurs here a few weeks ago.  We’re calling it a “Tech Sherpa”. Like a moutaineering sherpa (who guides moutaineers up and down a moutain they could otherwise not climb) a Tech Sherpa is a cross-discipline expert with years of success both “climbing” (doing technical work) as well as “guiding” (managing others who do that work).  They perform all the roles I described above, that a tech cofounder normally does.   *But* they take *no equity*, don’t influence the company’s direction and leave 100% ownership and control with the owner.  The downside is that they do charge for this service and prices range from $25-$95/hour, depending on their skills and location in the world.  However many feel this is a small price to pay in exchange for not dealing with the much larger hassles of a technical cofounder.
    Thanks for a refreshing article on a topic most people are afraid to discuss.Ian IppolitoCEO and founder of vWorker.com

  • http://dynamoplayer.com Rob Millis

    Suster’s position should be the default, with some rare exceptions in best case scenarios. As an entrepreneur and occasional angel I’m just surprised that there is any controversy at all.

  • http://www.WeGeo.com/ Ken O’Berry

     I’m not sure whether the percentage split matters so much (50/50%, 49/51%, 40/60%, etc), but here are a few expensively-won principles that I now hold dear:
    - Agree up front that one person is the final decision maker, that’s the CEO- 4 year vesting for all equity- 1 year cliff, no immediate or monthly vesting out of the gate for anyone
    - unvested stock must be able to be bought back when anyone, especially a founding member leaves

    - incorporate a buy/sell agreement to provide a path to separation if there are irreconcilable differences 

    Most importantly, 
    - no 50/50 representation on the Board. There _must_ be a tie-breaking vote, so find a respected, neutral third party who is a board participant

  • http://twitter.com/billgriggs William Griggs

    Mark, great post! One thing that I created to help me determine what I needed in a co-founder and when I needed to bring them on, is something I call the  SWIR (Startup Weakness Identification and Resolution) Canvas. It’s a great exercise that will help you ID weaknesses in your skillset, plan and team. It also gives you options to how you can go about crushing those weaknesses. I’d be honored if you would check out the SWIR Canvas on my blog  http://bit.ly/je9Hiv Please let me know what you think!

  • http://thetylerhayes.com Tyler Hayes

    “That person does not need to be a “co-founder”.”

    That person was my mom for my first company. You can throw your tomatoes now.

  • http://twitter.com/easyrevolver Ben Watkins

    Woohoo! I love these videos. They complement the site so well. Thank you for sharing so generously.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BZVA4Y7WJLGMIZDQOFKUDA3DUA Lagoon Power

    So right Mark. I had a lengthy meeting/presentation and follow-up calls/emails with the chief investment officer of a large investment company with $billions in funds. He never asked me about a co-founder or a co-founding team. He focused exclusively on the business model and the deal. Another person, a very successful Founder/CEO whose 6 year old start-up was acquired by GE told me not to sweat about a co-founder or CEO, and further stated that many investors/VCs would rather not be burdened with dealing with an early team. If you already have one in place, so be it, but not having a co-founder or early team in place is not a deal breaker.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BZVA4Y7WJLGMIZDQOFKUDA3DUA Lagoon Power

    Part II: I did have a potential core-team in place – but they were not owners, just potential core-team ready to come onboard pending funding. So again, regarding co-founder, I wouldn’t sweat it out at all. Get a good advisory team in place and one or two strong potential core-team candidates.

  • http://www.facebook.com/amit.wadhawan Amit Wadhawan

    Great post Mark!

    Your blog has been an incredibly useful resource for me as a newly hatched startup founder. It’s hard enough being one in Los Angeles so it’s great to have a “support system” like your blog where I come to look for advice!

    I have to say, finding inspired and creative tech talent to join a startup in this city has somewhat become like trying to take the “hot girl to prom”… So instead of trying to find one… I’m trying to earn myself one by building my product and then “hiring” my co-founder! Thanks again for the great posts!

  • http://omarelbaga.com Omar Elbaga

    Welcome to the married life. No one said marriage was easy. :)

  • Anonymous

    Great, great, great post! I just gave up searching for a cofounder now. I am a tech, can do everything I need and don’t need another person for now. So why complicating everything? I’ll hire someone if things go well and still be the CEO.

  • http://twitter.com/holdenweb Steve Holden

    I want to work with the kind of people who have your foresight and fairness. Nobody’s going to be occupying you any time soon!

  • http://twitter.com/holdenweb Steve Holden

    Sound advice. A long time ago I hired a friend as a salesperson. When the engagement didn’t work out he understood why he had to go but his partner went through their photographs and mailed back every one of them with me in it. That was the end of four friendship. I have a vert good friend whom I’d dearly love to involve as an accountant, but there is no way I would risk either hiring him or co-founding with him.

  • http://twitter.com/holdenweb Steve Holden

    The floating 2% is. presumably, contractually obligated to be gifted every year. Otherwise, all the same traps apply as described, surely? But I love the idea

  • Jo

    F cofounders just because its expected you should have one. Unless you actually need one.. Dont do it because it’s expected and ‘normal’.


Mark Suster is a 2x entrepreneur who has gone to the Dark Side of VC. He joined GRP Partners in 2007 as a General Partner after selling his company to Salesforce.com. He focuses on early-stage technology companies. Read more about Mark.

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